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	<title>The Wild Hunt &#187; ethics</title>
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		<title>Thorn Coyle Examines the Feet of Clay</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday the noted Pagan author, activist, and teacher T. Thorn Coyle, in a three part series on her blog, tackles the issue of teachers and leaders with &#8220;feet of clay&#8221;. Specifically, she discusses the controversy-loving Frosts (that would be Gavin and Yvonne Frost of The Church and School of Wicca), their ongoing defence of largely [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday the noted Pagan author, activist, and teacher <a href="http://www.thorncoyle.com/">T. Thorn Coyle</a>, in a <a href="http://yezida.livejournal.com/191268.html">three</a> <a href="http://yezida.livejournal.com/191732.html">part</a> <a href="http://yezida.livejournal.com/191925.html">series</a> on her blog, tackles the issue of teachers and leaders with &#8220;feet of clay&#8221;. Specifically, she discusses the controversy-loving Frosts (that would be <a href="http://www.wicca.org/">Gavin and Yvonne Frost of The Church and School of Wicca</a>), their ongoing defence of largely indefensible sexual politics, <a href="http://yezida.livejournal.com/191925.html">and processing a recent panel she ran where she allowed them to participate</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;I am struggling with the Frosts. Struggling because it would be too easy to do as others have which is to demonize them or relegate them to the &#8220;sweet old couple.&#8221; They are something far more varied than either of these. Some people want to sweep them under a rug, but I do not think they should be ignored. Why? We need to figure out our theolog(ies). We need to know where we stand on sex. Many of us would still rather just suppress it like the overculture teaches us, because abuse may happen otherwise, or we may need to deal with our own demons. I say that abuse happens </em><em>because of the suppression. Our demons grow stronger the more we constrict around our fears. Abuse happens when we don&#8217;t deal with our own sexuality, and we don&#8217;t teach our children about their own. And abuse sometimes just happens &#8230; If sex is sacred, we need to figure out how that translates and is reflected in our own lives, and in how we pass on that teaching.  And this is why, Gavin and Yvonne, as two people who have taught many others, I wish you would explain. Or I wish you would retract. Or I wish you would apologize. We could use discerning words from you instead of simply a shut down or blustering defense, or the insistence that those who disagree with you are &#8220;plastic&#8221;.&#8221; </em></p></blockquote>
<p>She closes with <a href="http://yezida.livejournal.com/191925.html">some questions for the Frosts to answer</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;What do you really think, today, about the sexual education of children? Is sex between adolescents with adults really the best way they should learn these mysteries? How did you teach your own daughter to appreciate the powers of sex, love, and Nature?&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>And <a href="http://yezida.livejournal.com/191925.html">some questions for her readers</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;What do you think about your own relationship to sex? To magic? To life force? To our process? To mistakes? To feet of clay? To your own regrets? To the sacred? To teaching our children?&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>The sexual politics, and controversies, of the Frosts is <a href="http://wildhunt.org/blog/tag/gavin-and-yvonne-frost">a topic I&#8217;ve covered more than once here on this blog</a>. I applaud Thorn for bravely stepping forward to process her own participation and feelings regarding these issues. I agree with the sentiment that we need to have an ongoing and constructive dialog concerning sex in our wider community, to actively engage with tough issues instead of ignoring them or allowing certain individuals to frame the entire moral question. I urge my readers to go through <a href="http://yezida.livejournal.com/">all three of her essays</a>, and to answer her questions at her blog. Then, if you&#8217;d like, feel free to answer them, and continue the conversation, here, too. You should also keep an eye on <a href="http://www.thorncoyle.com/podcasts.html">Thorn&#8217;s podcast page</a>, where audio and video from the panel in question will soon be posted.</p>
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		<title>Murder, Madmen, and Modern Paganism</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does religion harm or heal? Believers and skeptics have long argued over the benefits and drawbacks regarding a belief in unseen forces and powers for ages. Confusing the issue further are those times when faith commingles with mental illness and breeds murderers and monsters. Pagan religions and other minority faiths are hardly immune from these [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does religion harm or heal? Believers and skeptics have long argued over the benefits and drawbacks regarding a belief in unseen forces and powers for ages. Confusing the issue further are those times when <a href="http://www.getreligion.org/?p=5399">faith commingles with mental illness and breeds murderers and monsters. </a>Pagan religions and other minority faiths are hardly immune from these tragedies. <a href="http://wildhunt.org/blog/tag/sioux-city-journal">One year ago</a> <span id="body"><a href="http://wildhunt.org/blog/tag/lawrence-harris">Lawrence Douglas Harris</a>, who had been involved in modern Paganism (and later Satanism), killed his two young step-daughters in what he called a spell that &#8220;had gone bad&#8221;. On the anniversary of these tragic </span><span id="body">slayings,<a href="http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/articles/2009/01/11/news/top/fb296762204669c98625753a00095315.txt"> the Sioux City Journal provides a narrative of that fateful day from Marla Stroman</a>, the mother of the two girls.</span></p>
<blockquote><p><em><span>At the house, police immediately begin questioning Larry, who tells them he was practicing witchcraft. The girls died, he tells them, while he was casting a spell that &#8220;had gone bad&#8221; and that &#8220;could have had severe consequences.&#8221; There&#8217;s blood on his hands. In the basement, officers find candles, Larry&#8217;s ritual knife, stained with DNA from one of the girls, a symbol of Baphomet, representing Satan and believed to have occult power, bells and an amulet with an inverted pentagram &#8212; all items used in rituals described in &#8220;The Satanic Bible.&#8221; Larry tells police he has a spell notebook in his and Marla&#8217;s bedroom closet. The notebook contains drawings from the book &#8220;Pagan Ways,&#8221; references found in the occult fiction book &#8220;Necronomicom&#8221; and page numbers corresponding to &#8220;The Satanic Bible,&#8221; including one specific spell &#8230; Larry tells police he was possessed by Kali, the Hindu goddess of time and change. </span></em></p></blockquote>
<p><span>Harris, who had a history of self-harm, social isolation, and mental illness, had stopped taking his medications in the lead-up to that horrific day, and had become threatening and scary. Shortly after the murders, journalists interviewed a variety of &#8220;experts&#8221; (<a href="http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/01/more-updates-on-witchcraft-slaying.html">from local Wiccans to Mega-Church pastors</a>) to get a handle on why this happened, but none of them could really satisfy a public hungry for answers. In the end, mental illness doesn&#8217;t have to follow rules, be logically consistent, or provide a &#8220;good reason&#8221; for why those afflicted do the things they do. Once a mind has completely broken from reality, anything can be twisted (Bibles, Korans, books on Wicca, books on Satanism) into providing a road-map for their subsequent deeds. The mind, when turned towards such unrestrained violence, is like an opportunistic infection. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_church_shooting#Motivations">Grabbing at any nearby &#8220;host&#8221; to provide it motivation. </a></span></p>
<p><span>If these psychotic breaks involving religion are ultimately inconclusive in answering the question of religion being harmful, can religion, specifically Pagan religion, heal? That seems to be a part of the questions involving a convicted murderer in the UK. Twenty five years ago </span>Randall Lee McArthur killed another man in a drug-fueled rampage and was sentenced to a 25-to-life prison term. <a href="http://www.appeal-democrat.com/news/south_73099___article.html/murder_killer.html">He  was recently denied bail despite claims that he is a reformed man. </a></p>
<blockquote><p><em>Randall Lee McArthur says it&#8217;s time he was paroled. &#8220;I was a kid. I was irresponsible,&#8221; former Marysville resident McArthur, 44, told the state Board of Prison Terms about the 1982 murder of Bradford Lee Howland, 26, of Olivehurst. &#8220;I was wild, you know. I was out for myself.&#8221; McArthur contends he now poses no threat to the public if released from prison. But a filing Friday in the Yuba County Superior Court by the state Attorney General&#8217;s Office agrees with the prison board&#8217;s decision to deny parole for McArthur, sentenced in 1983 to a term of 25 years to life. He remains a danger to the public because of the nature of the murder along Forty Mile Road — &#8220;shooting a helpless, unarmed victim,&#8221; the state Attorney General&#8217;s Office said.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Part of McArthur&#8217;s process of reform <a href="http://www.appeal-democrat.com/news/south_73099___article.html/murder_killer.html">has apparantly included the study and practice of Wicca</a>, an aspect of his life that gained scrutiny at his parole-board hearing.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>McArthur said he is pursuing a college degree in ancient religions in correspondence courses with the New Mexico Institute of Spiritual Studies and that his own beliefs involve Wicca, an ancient, Pagan-based religion. A member of the state prison board, noting McArthur&#8217;s references to Wicca along with Druidism, said some people view them as evil religions. McArthur was asked if he was discovering something different. McArthur responded in the affirmative, describing Wicca as a nature-based religion closer to Native American culture and traditions.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Was his adherence to Wicca a point in his favor, or used as a strike against him? Can the study of Pagan religion improve the moral compass of a murderer? Would you feel comfortable living next to Mr. McArthur should he be released? Why or why not? Should the study of religion even factor into it, should the nature of the murder, as the Attorney General&#8217;s Office attests, preclude him ever being paroled? Religion has long been used as proof of a criminal&#8217;s reformation, perhaps we should just acknowledge that the eternal questions of religion hurting or healing will always be somewhat subjective, and remove faith considerations from issues of conviction and parole altogether. There will always be murderers and madmen, and at times, especially as we continue to grow, they will be Pagan in some for or another.  Better to acknowledge that, and continue to push for a truly equal and secular justice system free from bias for or against religon (or lack of religon).</p>
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		<title>The Golden Rule</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 14:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Philip Harland, Assistant Professor in the Humanities Division at York University, offers a corrective to those who still think ancient pagans were amoral hedonistic party-goers concerned solely with gladiator battles and orgies.
&#8220;Despite what you may have heard about the &#8220;pagan&#8221; Greeks or Romans (a friend of mine &#8211; perhaps representative &#8211; thought they were all [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.philipharland.com/cv.html">Philip Harland</a>, Assistant Professor in the Humanities Division at <a href="http://www.yorku.ca/web/index.htm">York University</a>, offers <a href="http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/03/07/golden-rule-do-unto-others-according-to-the-pagans/">a corrective to those who still think</a> ancient pagans were amoral hedonistic party-goers concerned solely with gladiator battles and orgies.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Despite what you may have heard about the &#8220;pagan&#8221; Greeks or Romans (a friend of mine &#8211; perhaps representative &#8211; thought they were all about wild orgies), &#8220;pagans&#8221; too were very concerned with proper behaviour as they defined it, and sometimes they defined it in similar ways. Educated philosophers, in particular, focussed their attention on questions of what behaviors were most fitting, desirable, or appropriate in particular circumstances. Such philosophers were often very concerned with &#8220;family values&#8221;, and so they spent considerable time thinking about what were the appropriate relationships among members of the household&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>As an example, Harland focuses on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethic_of_reciprocity">ethic of reciprocity</a> (aka &#8220;the golden rule&#8221;) and quotes the work of 2nd century <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism">Stoic</a> philosopher <a href="http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0048-1009(197504)17%3A2%3C156%3AHTSATN%3E2.0.CO%3B2-3">Hierocles</a>.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The first bit of advice, therefore, is very clear, easily obtained, and common to all people. For it is a sound word which everyone will recognize as clear: Treat anybody whatsoever as though you supposed that he were you and you he.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Hierocles the Stoic wasn&#8217;t the only pagan philosopher to endorse the ethic of reciprocity, similar statements have been made by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_the_Younger">Seneca</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle">Aristotle</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epictetus">Epictetus</a> (also a Stoic), <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates">Socrates</a>, and his student <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato">Plato</a>.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;May I do to others as I would that they should do unto me.&#8221;</i> &#8211; <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/reciproc.htm">Plato</a></p>
<p>In fact the earliest known written version of the golden rule is from an ancient Egyptian piece of literature entitled <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_of_Sinuhe">&#8220;The Tale of Sinuhe&#8221;</a>, written nearly two thousand years before the birth of Jesus.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;This is an ordinance: Act for the man who acts, to cause him to act. This is thanking him for what he does.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>This is a far cry from some evangelical commentators who have claimed that ancient pagans <a href="http://www.wildhunt.org/2005/10/book-review-wiccas-charm-for.html">existed in a fatalistic world view devoid of morality.</a> In fact, Christianity would have had a very hard time taking root in such societies. The truth is that our modern world (and its advanced &#8220;ethics&#8221; and &#8220;morals&#8221;) is more in debt to ancient paganism than many people realize. Something to remember the next time someone tells you how lost we would all be without the dominant monotheisms.<br />
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