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	<title>Comments on: Gay Marriage: The Pagan Difference</title>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/07/gay-marriage-pagan-difference.html/comment-page-1#comment-1939</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did not know that.. well I am a member of HRC and will layout it out to them... then see what they got to say</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did not know that.. well I am a member of HRC and will layout it out to them&#8230; then see what they got to say</p>
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		<title>By: Rev. Ricky</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/07/gay-marriage-pagan-difference.html/comment-page-1#comment-1926</link>
		<dc:creator>Rev. Ricky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US Government discriminates against all same-sex couples, whether they are pagan or Christian or anything else, none of them can marry.  And the US government allows any opposite-sex couple to marry, again regardless of religion.  The government also doesn&#039;t care whether the civil marriage is solemnized in a religious ceremony or at a civil ceremony, and if the couple does choose a religious ceremony it can be of any type they choose.  The recognition required to be able to officiate at a wedding is very easy to get, and again there&#039;s no religious test.  When the government finally recognizes same-sex marriages they will recognize pagan same-sex marriage ceremonies.  It&#039;s the same-sex part they have a problem with, not the pagan part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US Government discriminates against all same-sex couples, whether they are pagan or Christian or anything else, none of them can marry.  And the US government allows any opposite-sex couple to marry, again regardless of religion.  The government also doesn&#8217;t care whether the civil marriage is solemnized in a religious ceremony or at a civil ceremony, and if the couple does choose a religious ceremony it can be of any type they choose.  The recognition required to be able to officiate at a wedding is very easy to get, and again there&#8217;s no religious test.  When the government finally recognizes same-sex marriages they will recognize pagan same-sex marriage ceremonies.  It&#8217;s the same-sex part they have a problem with, not the pagan part.</p>
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		<title>By: Cat Chapin-Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cat Chapin-Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not totally sure where Phillip is coming from on this one.  Perhaps HRC has been reluctant to accept Pagan help, but the co-chair of the Massachusetts Coalition for the Freedom to Marry at the time of the Goodridge decision was Maureen Reddington-Wilde, an out Hellenic Reconstructionist Pagan and minister in &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://cose.numachi.com/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Church of the Sacred Earth&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;While the RCFM in Massachusetts has been retired (a victim of its own success!) their work has been subsumed by &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.massequality.org/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Mass Equality&lt;/a&gt;.  I do not know if Mass Equality and &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://equalmarriage.org/index.php&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Equal Marriage.org&lt;/a&gt;, the other group related to the RCFM that continues its work, still have active Pagan leadership.  And I wouldn&#039;t claim that Maureen&#039;s position of leadership was wholly without controversy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But it was there.  It was a fact.  Pagans have been active and visible on this issue out of all proportion to our numbers, and I, for one, am very proud to have been able to work for equal marriage within the state of Massachusetts.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Can we do more?  Sure--and let&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not totally sure where Phillip is coming from on this one.  Perhaps HRC has been reluctant to accept Pagan help, but the co-chair of the Massachusetts Coalition for the Freedom to Marry at the time of the Goodridge decision was Maureen Reddington-Wilde, an out Hellenic Reconstructionist Pagan and minister in <a HREF="http://cose.numachi.com/" REL="nofollow">Church of the Sacred Earth</a>.</p>
<p>While the RCFM in Massachusetts has been retired (a victim of its own success!) their work has been subsumed by <a HREF="http://www.massequality.org/" REL="nofollow"> Mass Equality</a>.  I do not know if Mass Equality and <a HREF="http://equalmarriage.org/index.php" REL="nofollow">Equal Marriage.org</a>, the other group related to the RCFM that continues its work, still have active Pagan leadership.  And I wouldn&#8217;t claim that Maureen&#8217;s position of leadership was wholly without controversy.</p>
<p>But it was there.  It was a fact.  Pagans have been active and visible on this issue out of all proportion to our numbers, and I, for one, am very proud to have been able to work for equal marriage within the state of Massachusetts.</p>
<p>Can we do more?  Sure&#8211;and let&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/07/gay-marriage-pagan-difference.html/comment-page-1#comment-1924</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this, Jason.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Unfortunately, queer rights advocacy groups like the Human Rights Campaign (which is hardly &quot;queer,&quot; but oh well...) don&#039;t want to raise the religious issue in their objections to and advocacy on this matter.  They try and keep everything &quot;civil,&quot; and just sit there whining &quot;It&#039;s not fair.&quot;  They have started a subgroup for religious inclusiveness, but they are not willing to include pagans in their listings or in their speaker programs and events, because we&#039;re just a little too not-mainstream-enough to appeal to their main demographic, and that of their projected audience.  Pagans advocating on these issues are seen as weird and deviant for being pagan...It&#039;s a bit of a catch-22 in certain respects.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, well done Hansen and Ásatrúarfélagid!  And thanks again for posting this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this, Jason.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, queer rights advocacy groups like the Human Rights Campaign (which is hardly &#8220;queer,&#8221; but oh well&#8230;) don&#8217;t want to raise the religious issue in their objections to and advocacy on this matter.  They try and keep everything &#8220;civil,&#8221; and just sit there whining &#8220;It&#8217;s not fair.&#8221;  They have started a subgroup for religious inclusiveness, but they are not willing to include pagans in their listings or in their speaker programs and events, because we&#8217;re just a little too not-mainstream-enough to appeal to their main demographic, and that of their projected audience.  Pagans advocating on these issues are seen as weird and deviant for being pagan&#8230;It&#8217;s a bit of a catch-22 in certain respects.</p>
<p>So, well done Hansen and Ásatrúarfélagid!  And thanks again for posting this!</p>
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		<title>By: Yvonne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yvonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Jason.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Glad to hear that the Asatruar in Iceland want gay marriage, too.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Come to that, why aren&#039;t we out protesting about this issue (and the environment, and discrimination against Pagans in prison) instead of unimportant nonsense like reburial?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Jason.</p>
<p>Glad to hear that the Asatruar in Iceland want gay marriage, too.</p>
<p>Come to that, why aren&#8217;t we out protesting about this issue (and the environment, and discrimination against Pagans in prison) instead of unimportant nonsense like reburial?</p>
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