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	<title>Comments on: A Troubling Legal Precedent in Texas</title>
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		<title>By: The Wild Hunt &#187; Saint Death, Non-Pagan Easter, and Anti-Witch Hysteria</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/troubling-legal-precedent-in-texas.html/comment-page-1#comment-4057</link>
		<dc:creator>The Wild Hunt &#187; Saint Death, Non-Pagan Easter, and Anti-Witch Hysteria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] some of those quiverfull children don&#8217;t want to become culture warriors for their parents? Will they suffer extensive &#8220;exorcisms&#8221; as some children already have? Or something even [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] some of those quiverfull children don&#8217;t want to become culture warriors for their parents? Will they suffer extensive &#8220;exorcisms&#8221; as some children already have? Or something even [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/troubling-legal-precedent-in-texas.html/comment-page-1#comment-1947</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So does this let the Catholic Church off the hook, too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So does this let the Catholic Church off the hook, too?</p>
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		<title>By: silverback2001</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/troubling-legal-precedent-in-texas.html/comment-page-1#comment-1913</link>
		<dc:creator>silverback2001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While morally it may be wrong, the legal system isn&#039;t going to touch how the church and it&#039;s members believe what they believe, with a ten foot pole. Laura, who was 17 at the time, also WANTED this to be done. She believed she was possessed, or that demons were trying to kill her or something, was terrified about it, and still attends the same church. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s hard to tell whether it was the experience of the exorcism itself or whether she ALREADY had problems manifesting psychologically. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Mental disorders usually come in groups. I&#039;d be surprised if she wasn&#039;t more than just PSTD. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;While I agree that the system sucks, the problem is that the supreme court can&#039;t decide what church doctrine is real, and what is false. They would have to debate the validity of Christianity and the practices of the church itself. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That is why they are protected by the first amendment. Now, if the girl had been dragged kicking and screaming and wasn&#039;t attending the church anymore, that would probably be another story. But even then, they would still have to determine the source of the PSTD. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You can sue for abuse, but you can&#039;t sue the church because it&#039;s ideas on the existence of demons etc traumatized someone to the point of PSTD. The courts cannot determine if someone was actually possessed either. That would also be meddling in church doctrine. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So while we can say that the verdict is wrong, whether we, or the judges like it or not, legally, the hands of the supreme court are tied in this matter. Legally, there isn&#039;t anything further that can be done, without going into the validity of church doctrine, and the violation of the first amendment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While morally it may be wrong, the legal system isn&#8217;t going to touch how the church and it&#8217;s members believe what they believe, with a ten foot pole. Laura, who was 17 at the time, also WANTED this to be done. She believed she was possessed, or that demons were trying to kill her or something, was terrified about it, and still attends the same church. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to tell whether it was the experience of the exorcism itself or whether she ALREADY had problems manifesting psychologically. </p>
<p>Mental disorders usually come in groups. I&#8217;d be surprised if she wasn&#8217;t more than just PSTD. </p>
<p>While I agree that the system sucks, the problem is that the supreme court can&#8217;t decide what church doctrine is real, and what is false. They would have to debate the validity of Christianity and the practices of the church itself. </p>
<p>That is why they are protected by the first amendment. Now, if the girl had been dragged kicking and screaming and wasn&#8217;t attending the church anymore, that would probably be another story. But even then, they would still have to determine the source of the PSTD. </p>
<p>You can sue for abuse, but you can&#8217;t sue the church because it&#8217;s ideas on the existence of demons etc traumatized someone to the point of PSTD. The courts cannot determine if someone was actually possessed either. That would also be meddling in church doctrine. </p>
<p>So while we can say that the verdict is wrong, whether we, or the judges like it or not, legally, the hands of the supreme court are tied in this matter. Legally, there isn&#8217;t anything further that can be done, without going into the validity of church doctrine, and the violation of the first amendment.</p>
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		<title>By: Yvonne</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/troubling-legal-precedent-in-texas.html/comment-page-1#comment-1907</link>
		<dc:creator>Yvonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abuse is abuse is abuse.  These people caused the girl mental and physical trauma, regardless of motive.  The court&#039;s decision is wrong, wrong, wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abuse is abuse is abuse.  These people caused the girl mental and physical trauma, regardless of motive.  The court&#8217;s decision is wrong, wrong, wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/troubling-legal-precedent-in-texas.html/comment-page-1#comment-1900</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ARGH!!! This angers me greatly. This is insanity!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ARGH!!! This angers me greatly. This is insanity!!!</p>
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		<title>By: THE Michael</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/troubling-legal-precedent-in-texas.html/comment-page-1#comment-1899</link>
		<dc:creator>THE Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another example of existential bullshit overwealming common sense.  If ANY body, motivated by ANYthing, harms me, physically or mentally, our constitution protects us regardless of that motivation from abuse.  There is definitely something wrong with the critical thinking skills of this court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another example of existential bullshit overwealming common sense.  If ANY body, motivated by ANYthing, harms me, physically or mentally, our constitution protects us regardless of that motivation from abuse.  There is definitely something wrong with the critical thinking skills of this court.</p>
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		<title>By: silverback2001</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/troubling-legal-precedent-in-texas.html/comment-page-1#comment-1896</link>
		<dc:creator>silverback2001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not quite like that, according to the source material.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The reason that the case was thrown out, is because the physical injuries were not the issue the defendants were being tried for. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Laura was awarded for the damages, and then the defendants appealed to the supreme court. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This was based on the fact that the court had previously ruled that looking into the emotional damages would require religious inquiry barred by the first amendment. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Since all of the damages tried were psychological in nature, and it was impossible to separate the damages based on the religious practice and the damages from physical restraint, the supreme court ruled that trying the case would involve inquiry barred by the first amendment. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Laura&#039;s own psychologist was unable to say whether the PSTD that Laura is suffering from is due to religious damage or from the physical nature of the exorcism. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the psychologist had been able to say without a reasonable doubt that the events in a non religious environment would cause the same effect, then the case could be tried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not quite like that, according to the source material.</p>
<p>The reason that the case was thrown out, is because the physical injuries were not the issue the defendants were being tried for. </p>
<p>Laura was awarded for the damages, and then the defendants appealed to the supreme court. </p>
<p>This was based on the fact that the court had previously ruled that looking into the emotional damages would require religious inquiry barred by the first amendment. </p>
<p>Since all of the damages tried were psychological in nature, and it was impossible to separate the damages based on the religious practice and the damages from physical restraint, the supreme court ruled that trying the case would involve inquiry barred by the first amendment. </p>
<p>Laura&#8217;s own psychologist was unable to say whether the PSTD that Laura is suffering from is due to religious damage or from the physical nature of the exorcism. </p>
<p>If the psychologist had been able to say without a reasonable doubt that the events in a non religious environment would cause the same effect, then the case could be tried.</p>
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		<title>By: wild-heart</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/troubling-legal-precedent-in-texas.html/comment-page-1#comment-1893</link>
		<dc:creator>wild-heart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rights of the institution trump the rights of the individual?!?!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;*speechless*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rights of the institution trump the rights of the individual?!?!</p>
<p>*speechless*</p>
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