Comments on: Kathie Lee Gifford and the "Nasty" Pagan Controversy http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/kathie-lee-gifford-and-nasty-pagan.html Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:51:57 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: The Wild Hunt » Can’t Attack Monotheism? There’s Always the Pagans. http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/kathie-lee-gifford-and-nasty-pagan.html/comment-page-1#comment-4139 The Wild Hunt » Can’t Attack Monotheism? There’s Always the Pagans. Sun, 03 May 2009 15:21:02 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/kathie-lee-gifford-and-the-nasty-pagan-controversy.html#comment-4139 [...] (who look to the pre-Christian religions that Ramis satirizes) should fight genuine hate-speech but avoid the tone-deaf excesses of some “rights” groups. “…the last thing I want to see is for Pagans to adopt the tactics of groups like the [...] [...] (who look to the pre-Christian religions that Ramis satirizes) should fight genuine hate-speech but avoid the tone-deaf excesses of some “rights” groups. “…the last thing I want to see is for Pagans to adopt the tactics of groups like the [...]

]]> By: Anonymous http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/kathie-lee-gifford-and-nasty-pagan.html/comment-page-1#comment-1946 Anonymous Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:12:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/kathie-lee-gifford-and-the-nasty-pagan-controversy.html#comment-1946 Like gollum we should pity her. how did she manage to become a T.V. personality anyway? does she really fill your head that much space where her opinions keep us lying awake at night worried about what Kathy Lee- Gifford thinks of us? I have bigger creatures in my head to do battle with. Like gollum we should pity her. how did she manage to become a T.V. personality anyway? does she really fill your head that much space where her opinions keep us lying awake at night worried about what Kathy Lee- Gifford thinks of us? I have bigger creatures in my head to do battle with.

]]> By: Anonymous http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/kathie-lee-gifford-and-nasty-pagan.html/comment-page-1#comment-1941 Anonymous Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:48:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/kathie-lee-gifford-and-the-nasty-pagan-controversy.html#comment-1941 As I said before, though I doubt that it was to be funny, In her position she should have done her research prior to any comments to be made. She knew better but she did it anyways. that is the bottom line, and her blanket apology just showed how much lack of concern for our religion she has. Had it been anyone else she would have been made to do a public specific apology.<br/><br/>Kastrata As I said before, though I doubt that it was to be funny, In her position she should have done her research prior to any comments to be made. She knew better but she did it anyways. that is the bottom line, and her blanket apology just showed how much lack of concern for our religion she has. Had it been anyone else she would have been made to do a public specific apology.

Kastrata

]]> By: Tamrha http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/kathie-lee-gifford-and-nasty-pagan.html/comment-page-1#comment-1937 Tamrha Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:32:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/kathie-lee-gifford-and-the-nasty-pagan-controversy.html#comment-1937 While a Iagree with what many are saying... that maybe she was being funny, or that she's clueless, or 'brassy'... Would it have flown if she said 'nasty, bad Jews?' or 'nasty bad Muslims?'<br/><br/>I don't think so. <br/><br/>Regardless of her intention to be funny or if she's just clueless, there are other ways to joke around while not using a religious group, a race, a sexuality or whatever to do it. As Pagans of whatever trad. we need to be solid on that fact. While a Iagree with what many are saying… that maybe she was being funny, or that she’s clueless, or ‘brassy’… Would it have flown if she said ‘nasty, bad Jews?’ or ‘nasty bad Muslims?’

I don’t think so.

Regardless of her intention to be funny or if she’s just clueless, there are other ways to joke around while not using a religious group, a race, a sexuality or whatever to do it. As Pagans of whatever trad. we need to be solid on that fact.

]]> By: Clint Grommett http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/kathie-lee-gifford-and-nasty-pagan.html/comment-page-1#comment-1934 Clint Grommett Thu, 03 Jul 2008 11:43:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/kathie-lee-gifford-and-the-nasty-pagan-controversy.html#comment-1934 I don't have time to read through all these comments, so sorry if I repeat another's. Those who "take her side" seem to forget that Kathy Lee is a bible-thumper, who has gospel music records. She tried to make her comment seem less serious, but knowing her background, she intentionally badmouthed Pagans because she's filled with hate for anyone who's not xtian. Yes, I'm making some assumptions here, but so is she by saying people who are non-violent, clean, and love the earth are "nasty." I don’t have time to read through all these comments, so sorry if I repeat another’s. Those who “take her side” seem to forget that Kathy Lee is a bible-thumper, who has gospel music records. She tried to make her comment seem less serious, but knowing her background, she intentionally badmouthed Pagans because she’s filled with hate for anyone who’s not xtian. Yes, I’m making some assumptions here, but so is she by saying people who are non-violent, clean, and love the earth are “nasty.”

]]> By: Anonymous http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/kathie-lee-gifford-and-nasty-pagan.html/comment-page-1#comment-1933 Anonymous Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:05:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/kathie-lee-gifford-and-the-nasty-pagan-controversy.html#comment-1933 If you missed it,a shortened version of her mocking apology is up at...<br/><br/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiGaEYAjGnk<br/><br/>Alot of people that were willing to let her remarks slide changed their minds after seeing it. If you missed it,a shortened version of her mocking apology is up at…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiGaEYAjGnk

Alot of people that were willing to let her remarks slide changed their minds after seeing it.

]]> By: Anonymous http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/kathie-lee-gifford-and-nasty-pagan.html/comment-page-1#comment-1921 Anonymous Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:59:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/kathie-lee-gifford-and-the-nasty-pagan-controversy.html#comment-1921 I agree that I am sure she meant no harm by it, but in all honosty, if we let her slide by because of her ignorance then we are giving a free pass to all with low knowledge of paganism. Which by the way is what one of our biggest problems are is the christians lack of understanding of the the Pagan religion.<br/>If you as a live television show speaker, wish to make a comment on something whether as a sarcastic poke to some one or as a sarcastic joke to start off the day. Then you should do your homework prior to such an act. That is the responsabilities of as such a person. <br/> I have great patience for people but ones who think they are never wrong and take advantage of a position given to them by the people they serve. And Kathie Lee Gifford serves the nation which we live in, no matter how ignorant she is. And as in such a position as we have placed her she denotes a certain set of responsabilities as I have stated above.<br/> As a Pagan community we should not sit so lightly on such a subject. For though she may lowly rated. Our goal is to help the rest of the world better understand our beliefs, but when one who's voice can be hears cross country no matter how it is taken we cannot afford such a chance as her discrediting our attempts. Because there are several people out there who hang onto every word she says. And I am sure the chances of one of them having a heavy influence quite possibly exists.<br/> And to top it all off she gave quite the non heartfelt apology, to us even though many of us calmly and politely asked for one. For some one who didn't know she offended anyone, only to find out she did, she sure didn't seem to care, and if anything she seemed to find it rude we would ask for such a thing. I personally believe she gives no absolution to the pagan religion.<br/> So yes I signed the petition and I even wrote the station a calm yet stern letter of how I felt about her original statement and her heartless apology. And I still feel you should all do the same. <br/><br/>With the up most respect<br/>Grand Priest Kastrata Almohnd Maeve<br/>Centurian Coven, Guardians of the Goddess. I agree that I am sure she meant no harm by it, but in all honosty, if we let her slide by because of her ignorance then we are giving a free pass to all with low knowledge of paganism. Which by the way is what one of our biggest problems are is the christians lack of understanding of the the Pagan religion.
If you as a live television show speaker, wish to make a comment on something whether as a sarcastic poke to some one or as a sarcastic joke to start off the day. Then you should do your homework prior to such an act. That is the responsabilities of as such a person.
I have great patience for people but ones who think they are never wrong and take advantage of a position given to them by the people they serve. And Kathie Lee Gifford serves the nation which we live in, no matter how ignorant she is. And as in such a position as we have placed her she denotes a certain set of responsabilities as I have stated above.
As a Pagan community we should not sit so lightly on such a subject. For though she may lowly rated. Our goal is to help the rest of the world better understand our beliefs, but when one who’s voice can be hears cross country no matter how it is taken we cannot afford such a chance as her discrediting our attempts. Because there are several people out there who hang onto every word she says. And I am sure the chances of one of them having a heavy influence quite possibly exists.
And to top it all off she gave quite the non heartfelt apology, to us even though many of us calmly and politely asked for one. For some one who didn’t know she offended anyone, only to find out she did, she sure didn’t seem to care, and if anything she seemed to find it rude we would ask for such a thing. I personally believe she gives no absolution to the pagan religion.
So yes I signed the petition and I even wrote the station a calm yet stern letter of how I felt about her original statement and her heartless apology. And I still feel you should all do the same.

With the up most respect
Grand Priest Kastrata Almohnd Maeve
Centurian Coven, Guardians of the Goddess.

]]> By: Raven's Secrets http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/kathie-lee-gifford-and-nasty-pagan.html/comment-page-1#comment-1917 Raven's Secrets Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:50:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/kathie-lee-gifford-and-the-nasty-pagan-controversy.html#comment-1917 I'll admit I have not taken the time to view the clip in question. I feel that given the source of said comment, there is no need to break out in a sweat about it. KathyLee is after all, KathyLee and that in and of itself means diddly squat!Quazi journalist was a nice way to describe her. Sure she has spent time on actual "news" programs "reporting" fluff. Hardcore journalist with a respected opinion in the business she is not! Both KathyLee and the Morning Show did breach a protcol I would admit. However, I believe it was done in some sort of lame attempt at dramedy. For those who are truley upset by this, I say do what your inner soul dicates. As for me I have this to say as my offering; It was KathyLee Gifford guys... Who givs a flying broomstick? No one listens to her with a grain on seriousness but perhaps kathyLee herself.<br/>We have bigger fish to fry and better battles to fight for real purpose and meaning. I really have to laugh.. KathyLee.... Man that is funny. I had almost forgotten she existed.... I’ll admit I have not taken the time to view the clip in question. I feel that given the source of said comment, there is no need to break out in a sweat about it. KathyLee is after all, KathyLee and that in and of itself means diddly squat!Quazi journalist was a nice way to describe her. Sure she has spent time on actual “news” programs “reporting” fluff. Hardcore journalist with a respected opinion in the business she is not! Both KathyLee and the Morning Show did breach a protcol I would admit. However, I believe it was done in some sort of lame attempt at dramedy. For those who are truley upset by this, I say do what your inner soul dicates. As for me I have this to say as my offering; It was KathyLee Gifford guys… Who givs a flying broomstick? No one listens to her with a grain on seriousness but perhaps kathyLee herself.
We have bigger fish to fry and better battles to fight for real purpose and meaning. I really have to laugh.. KathyLee…. Man that is funny. I had almost forgotten she existed….

]]> By: Lisa Adams http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/kathie-lee-gifford-and-nasty-pagan.html/comment-page-1#comment-1914 Lisa Adams Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:22:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/kathie-lee-gifford-and-the-nasty-pagan-controversy.html#comment-1914 I decided to attack her lack of understanding of the word Pagan. I agree, calling it hate speech is taking it a bit too far. She is obviously in the dark about a great many things and it probably never occurred to her that there might be real Pagans out there. I suspect that in her mind Pagans were savages who never did anything good for anyone. I doubt very much she realized the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Indians (from India), Native Americans, etc were considered Pagans. So I pointed out that the Today Show is complete drivel due to it's complete lack of intelligence. That this was yet another example of their lack of intellectual understanding and that perhaps they should work on educating themselves on history or words before expecting real intelligent people to take them seriously. (Though sadly I caught a couple of grammar errors after I wrote it *pout*.) Regardless, pointing out the quazi intelligence, I think, would have more effect on them then claiming "discrimination". They'll be more likely to apologize for lack of scholarship. I decided to attack her lack of understanding of the word Pagan. I agree, calling it hate speech is taking it a bit too far. She is obviously in the dark about a great many things and it probably never occurred to her that there might be real Pagans out there. I suspect that in her mind Pagans were savages who never did anything good for anyone. I doubt very much she realized the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Indians (from India), Native Americans, etc were considered Pagans. So I pointed out that the Today Show is complete drivel due to it’s complete lack of intelligence. That this was yet another example of their lack of intellectual understanding and that perhaps they should work on educating themselves on history or words before expecting real intelligent people to take them seriously. (Though sadly I caught a couple of grammar errors after I wrote it *pout*.) Regardless, pointing out the quazi intelligence, I think, would have more effect on them then claiming “discrimination”. They’ll be more likely to apologize for lack of scholarship.

]]> By: Thranduilas http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/kathie-lee-gifford-and-nasty-pagan.html/comment-page-1#comment-1912 Thranduilas Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:32:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/kathie-lee-gifford-and-the-nasty-pagan-controversy.html#comment-1912 After hearing the clip, I think she was just being dramatic, maybe even ironic. Blowing it out of proportion doesn't help us become accepted; we wind up looking like another "whiny" minority. After hearing the clip, I think she was just being dramatic, maybe even ironic. Blowing it out of proportion doesn’t help us become accepted; we wind up looking like another “whiny” minority.

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