Comments on: Is the Associated Press Trying to Destroy Fair Use? http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/is-associated-press-trying-to-destroy.html Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:24:03 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Mike http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/is-associated-press-trying-to-destroy.html/comment-page-1#comment-1845 Mike Fri, 20 Jun 2008 05:40:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/is-the-associated-press-trying-to-destroy-fair-use.html#comment-1845 you know what I say to all this?....I am not very educated so this will be blunt and not contain sugar coated pleasantries....blow me!!! I will write what I want, when I want and where I want...so if they want to move their big legal team in to action, let em!!! <br/><br/>I served five years in the Army to protect my right to free speech, dont like what I write? dont read it! if it hurts your feelings? I wont apologize, but when and if I do decide to "blog" I will either find someplace that will allow me to write what I want or I will buy my own god damn space and write totally annoying crap about media companies and their delicate sensibilites and challenge them to stand up and fight on something other than a jerk like me, typing *snort* you know what I say to all this?….I am not very educated so this will be blunt and not contain sugar coated pleasantries….blow me!!! I will write what I want, when I want and where I want…so if they want to move their big legal team in to action, let em!!!

I served five years in the Army to protect my right to free speech, dont like what I write? dont read it! if it hurts your feelings? I wont apologize, but when and if I do decide to “blog” I will either find someplace that will allow me to write what I want or I will buy my own god damn space and write totally annoying crap about media companies and their delicate sensibilites and challenge them to stand up and fight on something other than a jerk like me, typing *snort*

]]> By: fyreflye http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/is-associated-press-trying-to-destroy.html/comment-page-1#comment-1844 fyreflye Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:28:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/is-the-associated-press-trying-to-destroy-fair-use.html#comment-1844 There's also some extended (and heated) comment over at http://www.dailykos.com, <br/>a 900 pound gorilla in the blogosphere that AP will not find easy to intimidate. BTW, the "Media Bloggers Association" represents nobody. There’s also some extended (and heated) comment over at http://www.dailykos.com,
a 900 pound gorilla in the blogosphere that AP will not find easy to intimidate. BTW, the “Media Bloggers Association” represents nobody.

]]> By: Maritzia http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/is-associated-press-trying-to-destroy.html/comment-page-1#comment-1837 Maritzia Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:25:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/is-the-associated-press-trying-to-destroy-fair-use.html#comment-1837 If I recall correctly, the EFF (Electronic Freedom Foundation) is already representing someone against AP. I say hold out until they sue you and then approach the EFF to represent you. They're just panting to take this on. If I recall correctly, the EFF (Electronic Freedom Foundation) is already representing someone against AP. I say hold out until they sue you and then approach the EFF to represent you. They’re just panting to take this on.

]]> By: Carol Maltby http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/is-associated-press-trying-to-destroy.html/comment-page-1#comment-1829 Carol Maltby Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:28:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/is-the-associated-press-trying-to-destroy-fair-use.html#comment-1829 The Carpetbagger Report that Jason links to doesn't give much information or context, and includes in the comments (seemingly intended as a joke) a <i>nasty</i> little comment featuring racism and sexual violence.<br/><br/>You'll get far more information, good links, and nuanced commentary on this and other issues from <b>Making Light</b>, the blog by Teresa and Patrick Neilsen Hayden.<br/><br/>http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/<br/><br/>Their coverage started on the 16th with the posting, "The Associated Press wants to charge you $12.50 to quote five words from them." It is always worthwhile to check the comments on their blog, as their postings customarily attract perceptive commentators.<br/><br/>This Media Bloggers Association seems to have come out of nowhere, and craves negotiation with the AP on behalf of bloggers. Trouble is, as Atrios says, <i>"[T]he AP is full of shit here and there's nothing to talk about. If they want to take this to court, they can, but there are no guidelines to be negotiated here. They don't write copyright law or get to determine its precise boundaries. It isn't for them to determine what is legal fair use and what isn't."</i> <br/><br/>Here's some basic information on the Fair Use provisions of the copyright laws:<br/><br/>http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000107----000-.html<br/><br/>http://home.earthlink.net/~cnew/research.htm<br/><br/>http://www.utsystem.edu/OGC/Intellectualproperty/copypol2.htm The Carpetbagger Report that Jason links to doesn’t give much information or context, and includes in the comments (seemingly intended as a joke) a nasty little comment featuring racism and sexual violence.

You’ll get far more information, good links, and nuanced commentary on this and other issues from Making Light, the blog by Teresa and Patrick Neilsen Hayden.

http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/

Their coverage started on the 16th with the posting, “The Associated Press wants to charge you $12.50 to quote five words from them.” It is always worthwhile to check the comments on their blog, as their postings customarily attract perceptive commentators.

This Media Bloggers Association seems to have come out of nowhere, and craves negotiation with the AP on behalf of bloggers. Trouble is, as Atrios says, “[T]he AP is full of shit here and there’s nothing to talk about. If they want to take this to court, they can, but there are no guidelines to be negotiated here. They don’t write copyright law or get to determine its precise boundaries. It isn’t for them to determine what is legal fair use and what isn’t.”

Here’s some basic information on the Fair Use provisions of the copyright laws:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000107—-000-.html

http://home.earthlink.net/~cnew/research.htm

http://www.utsystem.edu/OGC/Intellectualproperty/copypol2.htm

]]> By: Josef http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/is-associated-press-trying-to-destroy.html/comment-page-1#comment-1825 Josef Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:48:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/is-the-associated-press-trying-to-destroy-fair-use.html#comment-1825 What's better is that they are forcing you to pay for what amounts to you quoting yourself. <shakes head sadly> What’s better is that they are forcing you to pay for what amounts to you quoting yourself. <shakes head sadly>

]]> By: Robin Edgar http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/is-associated-press-trying-to-destroy.html/comment-page-1#comment-1823 Robin Edgar Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:36:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/is-the-associated-press-trying-to-destroy-fair-use.html#comment-1823 "I already see corporate copyrights as more expansive than individual copyrights, since an individual only owns the rights for their lifetime and a finite period of time after that (rather, their estate owns that part). The fact that a corporation can own a copyright indefinitely depending on how long the corporation exists is in my view treating a corporation BETTER than the law treats individuals."<br/><br/>Very good point Barbara. One that I have thought of in the past but had let slip. It should be noted that copyright was originally designed to protect individual artists' rights from undue exploitation. “I already see corporate copyrights as more expansive than individual copyrights, since an individual only owns the rights for their lifetime and a finite period of time after that (rather, their estate owns that part). The fact that a corporation can own a copyright indefinitely depending on how long the corporation exists is in my view treating a corporation BETTER than the law treats individuals.”

Very good point Barbara. One that I have thought of in the past but had let slip. It should be noted that copyright was originally designed to protect individual artists’ rights from undue exploitation.

]]> By: Barbara http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/is-associated-press-trying-to-destroy.html/comment-page-1#comment-1821 Barbara Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:46:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/is-the-associated-press-trying-to-destroy-fair-use.html#comment-1821 I already see corporate copyrights as more expansive than individual copyrights, since an individual only owns the rights for their lifetime and a finite period of time after that (rather, their estate owns that part). The fact that a corporation can own a copyright indefinitely depending on how long the corporation exists is in my view treating a corporation BETTER than the law treats individuals.<br/><br/>In any case, AP's claim has yet to be tested in court, and they're apparently ticking off a lot of news sources who already pay them, with this little tizzy fit over fair rights. It's absurd, in my opinion. I already see corporate copyrights as more expansive than individual copyrights, since an individual only owns the rights for their lifetime and a finite period of time after that (rather, their estate owns that part). The fact that a corporation can own a copyright indefinitely depending on how long the corporation exists is in my view treating a corporation BETTER than the law treats individuals.

In any case, AP’s claim has yet to be tested in court, and they’re apparently ticking off a lot of news sources who already pay them, with this little tizzy fit over fair rights. It’s absurd, in my opinion.

]]> By: THE Michael http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/is-associated-press-trying-to-destroy.html/comment-page-1#comment-1820 THE Michael Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:10:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/is-the-associated-press-trying-to-destroy-fair-use.html#comment-1820 You may quote me......."AP, UP YOURS!"<br/><br/>I'll say what I damn well please about anything I damn well want, and I am NOT going to pay ANYBODY for the priveledge. My forefathers and I PAID for that priveledge, thank you! You may quote me…….”AP, UP YOURS!”

I’ll say what I damn well please about anything I damn well want, and I am NOT going to pay ANYBODY for the priveledge. My forefathers and I PAID for that priveledge, thank you!

]]> By: Phae http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/is-associated-press-trying-to-destroy.html/comment-page-1#comment-1819 Phae Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:44:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/is-the-associated-press-trying-to-destroy-fair-use.html#comment-1819 What is the deal with everyone trying to get rich off of copyright lately? <br/><br/>--Phae What is the deal with everyone trying to get rich off of copyright lately?

–Phae

]]> By: Robin Edgar http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/is-associated-press-trying-to-destroy.html/comment-page-1#comment-1816 Robin Edgar Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:09:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2008/06/is-the-associated-press-trying-to-destroy-fair-use.html#comment-1816 Oh dear I do hope that my comment is within "fair use" guidelines. ;-) Oh dear I do hope that my comment is within “fair use” guidelines. ;-)

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