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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/12/lakota-freedom.html/comment-page-1#comment-1623</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Problem I have had thus far is if he has declared sovereign nation status then why is he not living on Lakotah land fulltime?  He lives in NM with his wife.  I suppose actions speak louder than words in my world.  Ideals are right on and I totally like the dream, but my heart aches because I am afraid it is only that... a dream...  mother earth will take back when she has had enough, she is the one with the voice.... I am just waiting for her to put a good rumble under the faces of the Black Hills.. seeing that&#039;s all she probably needs to get a good fresh start...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem I have had thus far is if he has declared sovereign nation status then why is he not living on Lakotah land fulltime?  He lives in NM with his wife.  I suppose actions speak louder than words in my world.  Ideals are right on and I totally like the dream, but my heart aches because I am afraid it is only that&#8230; a dream&#8230;  mother earth will take back when she has had enough, she is the one with the voice&#8230;. I am just waiting for her to put a good rumble under the faces of the Black Hills.. seeing that&#8217;s all she probably needs to get a good fresh start&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scottraven</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/12/lakota-freedom.html/comment-page-1#comment-1356</link>
		<dc:creator>Scottraven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Anon, you might find the White Settlers a little less accepting of liberal thinking, considering that the last two guys who floated this idea, don&#039;t even live in the midwest.&lt;br/&gt;One, was from California, and another, Means, doesn&#039;t even live up here full time, just when he needs to beat a drum, so to speak.&lt;br/&gt;As for the belief, that the lakota would survive on their own, I don&#039;t see that happening either. What happens if you have a larger land mass, with open area? A bigger mess to clean up, when they destroy it.&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m just curious, to see if this Means even has a plan, or if this is a lot of hyperbole...the local politicial powers are making the same grandiose speeches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Anon, you might find the White Settlers a little less accepting of liberal thinking, considering that the last two guys who floated this idea, don&#8217;t even live in the midwest.<br />One, was from California, and another, Means, doesn&#8217;t even live up here full time, just when he needs to beat a drum, so to speak.<br />As for the belief, that the lakota would survive on their own, I don&#8217;t see that happening either. What happens if you have a larger land mass, with open area? A bigger mess to clean up, when they destroy it.<br />I&#8217;m just curious, to see if this Means even has a plan, or if this is a lot of hyperbole&#8230;the local politicial powers are making the same grandiose speeches.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/12/lakota-freedom.html/comment-page-1#comment-1324</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 02:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has every one forgot Leonard Peltier?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Mitakuye Oyasin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has every one forgot Leonard Peltier?</p>
<p>Mitakuye Oyasin</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/12/lakota-freedom.html/comment-page-1#comment-1323</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is important not to focus on Russel Means as the messenger, and to focus on the message and what is being proposed.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;and what they are proposing, is simply awesome....&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Lakota are fully within their right to reclaim their land. They were here first, and every treaty they have signed has been violated as they were shuffled from less and less desirable plots of land so that the State could claim their resources, and weaken and dilute their culture so as to make them less of a threat.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you think anything else, you need to read your history.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;An excellent, light introduction to the plight of indigenous natives to the western hemisphere is shown in &#039;500 Nations&#039; and 8 part dvd. Narrated by Kevin Costner, for all those of you who need some &#039;trustworthy branding&#039;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;America is an incredibly ironic culture in that we send billions of dollars annually to the middle east to purchase arms to establish &#039;homelands&#039; and encourage &#039;freedom&#039; and yet we systematically decimate the local actual homelands of the natives who were here long before the first Spanish gold lusting war party arrived.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So what will happen to non-natives who live on the Lakota land? Well, gosh, you might have to move! Imagine that, being forced to move from the place you called home.......hmmmmm sound familiar? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Or maybe they would be nice and let you stay. Your  income taxes could go to your lease on your land and the new infrastructure. You&#039;d probably actually come out with more money as you wouldn&#039;t be supporting a huge federal war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is important not to focus on Russel Means as the messenger, and to focus on the message and what is being proposed.</p>
<p>and what they are proposing, is simply awesome&#8230;.</p>
<p>The Lakota are fully within their right to reclaim their land. They were here first, and every treaty they have signed has been violated as they were shuffled from less and less desirable plots of land so that the State could claim their resources, and weaken and dilute their culture so as to make them less of a threat.</p>
<p>If you think anything else, you need to read your history.</p>
<p>An excellent, light introduction to the plight of indigenous natives to the western hemisphere is shown in &#8216;500 Nations&#8217; and 8 part dvd. Narrated by Kevin Costner, for all those of you who need some &#8216;trustworthy branding&#8217;.</p>
<p>America is an incredibly ironic culture in that we send billions of dollars annually to the middle east to purchase arms to establish &#8216;homelands&#8217; and encourage &#8216;freedom&#8217; and yet we systematically decimate the local actual homelands of the natives who were here long before the first Spanish gold lusting war party arrived.</p>
<p>So what will happen to non-natives who live on the Lakota land? Well, gosh, you might have to move! Imagine that, being forced to move from the place you called home&#8230;&#8230;.hmmmmm sound familiar? </p>
<p>Or maybe they would be nice and let you stay. Your  income taxes could go to your lease on your land and the new infrastructure. You&#8217;d probably actually come out with more money as you wouldn&#8217;t be supporting a huge federal war.</p>
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		<title>By: Scottraven</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/12/lakota-freedom.html/comment-page-1#comment-1322</link>
		<dc:creator>Scottraven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being that I live in what is so-called native american territory, Russell Means has it about 15 percent off wack, for what he wants to do. First of all, by declaring he&#039;s severing ties with the US Government, is all fine and dandy, but he&#039;d have a problem trying to evict about 200,000 whites living in and around the Black Hills, not to mention, the Lakota, didn&#039;t take control of the Black Hills first...the Cheyenne controlled it before them, and the Kiowas before them. So, if the Lakota try to claim it, the Hills could be locked up for years in debate.&lt;br/&gt;But, again, that all relies on Means not getting himself killed making grandiose statements, claiming to represent the Lakota, when he&#039;s not even a president, chief or other position of power, within a recognized tribe.&lt;br/&gt;Also should be known, he failed to be elected to run for president against Ron Paul, in 1987, and also was famous for trying to claim foul in a recent election on the Pine Ridge Reservation.&lt;br/&gt;Will be interesting to watch, will sell papers...but if he&#039;s serious....Means might be watching it unfold, from prison somewhere for Treason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being that I live in what is so-called native american territory, Russell Means has it about 15 percent off wack, for what he wants to do. First of all, by declaring he&#8217;s severing ties with the US Government, is all fine and dandy, but he&#8217;d have a problem trying to evict about 200,000 whites living in and around the Black Hills, not to mention, the Lakota, didn&#8217;t take control of the Black Hills first&#8230;the Cheyenne controlled it before them, and the Kiowas before them. So, if the Lakota try to claim it, the Hills could be locked up for years in debate.<br />But, again, that all relies on Means not getting himself killed making grandiose statements, claiming to represent the Lakota, when he&#8217;s not even a president, chief or other position of power, within a recognized tribe.<br />Also should be known, he failed to be elected to run for president against Ron Paul, in 1987, and also was famous for trying to claim foul in a recent election on the Pine Ridge Reservation.<br />Will be interesting to watch, will sell papers&#8230;but if he&#8217;s serious&#8230;.Means might be watching it unfold, from prison somewhere for Treason.</p>
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		<title>By: TainoWoman</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/12/lakota-freedom.html/comment-page-1#comment-1319</link>
		<dc:creator>TainoWoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 04:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it quite interesting that the tribal paper claims only the higher ups can make a desicion.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When lands were appropriated from the natives in the early history of the US, they took signatures from anyone who could make a mark- including children.  They were counted as part of the tribe with a voice and a vote according to those who drew out the paperwork... Pretty low, huh?  And although tribes were independent from each other, and the US knew this, because they were of the same &quot;kind&quot; any agreement made with one tribe of &quot;X&quot; was binding to all &quot;X&quot; people.  All in all, the US is sadly misled by their history books and horn tooting.  If people really educated themselves they would be ashamed of the things this country has done and continues to do to the original people of this land. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;History has recently been revisited and today you can find volumes that have stated, with documentation, how the US has treated the Natives of this land.  History is not quite as pretty as the public school system would have you believe.  There is more than enough documentation out there for those interested to see what the US has done, and not done.  With the Freedom of Information Act, all you have to do is ask.  You can start with the Native&#039;s claims and corroborate with the treaties, minutes, transcripts and other legal documentation that is available from your very own US government offices.  You will see how time and again the US has broken the very laws it claims to fight for.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Those who don&#039;t know any better don&#039;t want to know any better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it quite interesting that the tribal paper claims only the higher ups can make a desicion.</p>
<p>When lands were appropriated from the natives in the early history of the US, they took signatures from anyone who could make a mark- including children.  They were counted as part of the tribe with a voice and a vote according to those who drew out the paperwork&#8230; Pretty low, huh?  And although tribes were independent from each other, and the US knew this, because they were of the same &#8220;kind&#8221; any agreement made with one tribe of &#8220;X&#8221; was binding to all &#8220;X&#8221; people.  All in all, the US is sadly misled by their history books and horn tooting.  If people really educated themselves they would be ashamed of the things this country has done and continues to do to the original people of this land. </p>
<p>History has recently been revisited and today you can find volumes that have stated, with documentation, how the US has treated the Natives of this land.  History is not quite as pretty as the public school system would have you believe.  There is more than enough documentation out there for those interested to see what the US has done, and not done.  With the Freedom of Information Act, all you have to do is ask.  You can start with the Native&#8217;s claims and corroborate with the treaties, minutes, transcripts and other legal documentation that is available from your very own US government offices.  You will see how time and again the US has broken the very laws it claims to fight for.</p>
<p>Those who don&#8217;t know any better don&#8217;t want to know any better.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Lemuria</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/12/lakota-freedom.html/comment-page-1#comment-1314</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Lemuria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a secessionist Pagan, I am all about some solidarity with pagan secessionists and secessionists of indigenous groups. It would be nice if there is some sort of grassroots support for this among the Lakota, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a secessionist Pagan, I am all about some solidarity with pagan secessionists and secessionists of indigenous groups. It would be nice if there is some sort of grassroots support for this among the Lakota, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Pitzl-Waters</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/12/lakota-freedom.html/comment-page-1#comment-1313</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Pitzl-Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I always encourage solidarity with indigenous groups.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;To paraphrase a certain movie featuring pirates, its more a guideline than a law. Adding your support to any cause should start with some research and critical thinking. A good rule of thumb is to listen to what tribal leaders, indigenous-run press sources, and the &quot;indigenous street&quot; are saying, since activists can often make sweeping claims that are over-exaggerated at times. Waiting for what the cooler heads have to say is often good advice.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But having said that, I stand by my oft-repeated insistence that modern Pagans should practice solidarity with indigenous groups. But solidarity doesn&#039;t mean abandoning our own judgment or wisdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I always encourage solidarity with indigenous groups.&#8221;</p>
<p>To paraphrase a certain movie featuring pirates, its more a guideline than a law. Adding your support to any cause should start with some research and critical thinking. A good rule of thumb is to listen to what tribal leaders, indigenous-run press sources, and the &#8220;indigenous street&#8221; are saying, since activists can often make sweeping claims that are over-exaggerated at times. Waiting for what the cooler heads have to say is often good advice.</p>
<p>But having said that, I stand by my oft-repeated insistence that modern Pagans should practice solidarity with indigenous groups. But solidarity doesn&#8217;t mean abandoning our own judgment or wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: Arminius</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/12/lakota-freedom.html/comment-page-1#comment-1312</link>
		<dc:creator>Arminius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say here that &quot;I always encourage solidarity with indigenous groups.&quot; I think this particular situation shows a weakness in that sort of idea. Indigenous peoples are no more monolithic in their ideas than anyone else. When there are differences of opinion within an indigenous group, how do we decide which side to support in order to be in solidarity with the indigenous group as a whole?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say here that &#8220;I always encourage solidarity with indigenous groups.&#8221; I think this particular situation shows a weakness in that sort of idea. Indigenous peoples are no more monolithic in their ideas than anyone else. When there are differences of opinion within an indigenous group, how do we decide which side to support in order to be in solidarity with the indigenous group as a whole?</p>
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