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		<title>By: cybercoven.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; I&#8217;m not sure what to call this post . . .</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/06/sacrificing-frosts.html/comment-page-1#comment-4051</link>
		<dc:creator>cybercoven.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; I&#8217;m not sure what to call this post . . .</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from participating when I found out what was being planned (a friend called me after seeing a post on The Wild Hunt blog &#8211; the first I was told there was more going on than a simple gathering), which was some time [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from participating when I found out what was being planned (a friend called me after seeing a post on The Wild Hunt blog &#8211; the first I was told there was more going on than a simple gathering), which was some time [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Wild Hunt &#187; Quick Note: The Sexual Politics of The Frosts</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/06/sacrificing-frosts.html/comment-page-1#comment-3168</link>
		<dc:creator>The Wild Hunt &#187; Quick Note: The Sexual Politics of The Frosts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on purpose in order to stir the cauldron? Creating controversy to boost sales? Or are they, as their most vocal critics say, sick people with a warped moral compass. Personally, I think the Frosts started out by wanting to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on purpose in order to stir the cauldron? Creating controversy to boost sales? Or are they, as their most vocal critics say, sick people with a warped moral compass. Personally, I think the Frosts started out by wanting to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/06/sacrificing-frosts.html/comment-page-1#comment-2264</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just read through my post and spotted the spelling mistakes, please forgive the errors.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Blessed be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just read through my post and spotted the spelling mistakes, please forgive the errors.</p>
<p>Blessed be.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/06/sacrificing-frosts.html/comment-page-1#comment-2263</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that there are a large number of books out there with questionable bits, even ones I&#039;m currently using.  I would be suprised if any one of us blindly follows everything written about any religous practice, pagan or otherwise.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If I wrote a book that said -A wiccan must always do a crap before closing the circle, then take the crap and bury it, to represent the expulsion of negative energy - would any of you actually do it?  I know I wouldn&#039;t.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think that most pagans/wiccans are by nature the type that question what they see and read, otherwise wouldn&#039;t we still be christians? (And no, I&#039;m not slating christians)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I do not defend either the Frost&#039;s book or AJ&#039;s actions and comments, and definately not the abuse of children, or the abuse of power the passage represents.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Interestingly enough, not one person has stepped forward and said they have followed that practice, which hopefully proves the point: While a great many people will have read the book, the majority (and hopefully all) have the good sense not to follow blindly, the Frosts included, it would seem.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I completely agree with a previous comment, surely our energy would be better directed in the setting up and/or supporting of an anti-child abuse group?  Those that like their publicity can gain it in a positive way by saving children under threat.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just one child saved by a pagan/wiccan would give out better, more postive, publicity, as well as a heck of a lot of good karma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that there are a large number of books out there with questionable bits, even ones I&#8217;m currently using.  I would be suprised if any one of us blindly follows everything written about any religous practice, pagan or otherwise.</p>
<p>If I wrote a book that said -A wiccan must always do a crap before closing the circle, then take the crap and bury it, to represent the expulsion of negative energy &#8211; would any of you actually do it?  I know I wouldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I think that most pagans/wiccans are by nature the type that question what they see and read, otherwise wouldn&#8217;t we still be christians? (And no, I&#8217;m not slating christians)</p>
<p>I do not defend either the Frost&#8217;s book or AJ&#8217;s actions and comments, and definately not the abuse of children, or the abuse of power the passage represents.</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, not one person has stepped forward and said they have followed that practice, which hopefully proves the point: While a great many people will have read the book, the majority (and hopefully all) have the good sense not to follow blindly, the Frosts included, it would seem.</p>
<p>I completely agree with a previous comment, surely our energy would be better directed in the setting up and/or supporting of an anti-child abuse group?  Those that like their publicity can gain it in a positive way by saving children under threat.</p>
<p>Just one child saved by a pagan/wiccan would give out better, more postive, publicity, as well as a heck of a lot of good karma.</p>
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		<title>By: hp battery</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/06/sacrificing-frosts.html/comment-page-1#comment-1728</link>
		<dc:creator>hp battery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 01:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good post.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/06/sacrificing-frosts.html/comment-page-1#comment-1144</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear AJ;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As I said, YOU have made it about the Frost&#039;s. You have made the Frost&#039;s a bigger deal than other other factor of your event; DeFrost, etc.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I believe that you are now trying a bit of smoke and mirrors to redirect how your motives are viewed.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;How is the Frost thing being just one hour in a 3 day event any different from your rite just being one hour in a 3 day event? It is all tied together in one package isn&#039;t it? Merry Christmas.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;L.V.X.&lt;br/&gt;93/93&lt;br/&gt;Blessed Be&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Shadow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear AJ;</p>
<p>As I said, YOU have made it about the Frost&#8217;s. You have made the Frost&#8217;s a bigger deal than other other factor of your event; DeFrost, etc.</p>
<p>I believe that you are now trying a bit of smoke and mirrors to redirect how your motives are viewed.</p>
<p>How is the Frost thing being just one hour in a 3 day event any different from your rite just being one hour in a 3 day event? It is all tied together in one package isn&#8217;t it? Merry Christmas.</p>
<p>L.V.X.<br />93/93<br />Blessed Be</p>
<p>Shadow</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/06/sacrificing-frosts.html/comment-page-1#comment-1140</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 03:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lord Shadow:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Sacrifice to Caring is a one hour rite being written and led by victims of child molstation, rape, and abuse.  The event itself is three days.  Each year, there is a work in focus.  The focus of this years work is the defence of children.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Many organizations which protect children will be in attendanc, including Bikers Against Child Abuse (my favorite).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Stating that the event is all about the Frosts is uninformed.  Sure, I reply to blogs where people make false statements about the nature of my proposed sacrifice, however that is because those statements are addressing me personaly.  The event is much larger than myself and involves much more than the matter of the Frosts.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Like I said, one hour of a three day event.  Saying RWB is all about the Frosts is like saying it is all about Voodoo possessions (that one has a two hour time slot).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A.J. Drew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lord Shadow:</p>
<p>The Sacrifice to Caring is a one hour rite being written and led by victims of child molstation, rape, and abuse.  The event itself is three days.  Each year, there is a work in focus.  The focus of this years work is the defence of children.  </p>
<p>Many organizations which protect children will be in attendanc, including Bikers Against Child Abuse (my favorite).</p>
<p>Stating that the event is all about the Frosts is uninformed.  Sure, I reply to blogs where people make false statements about the nature of my proposed sacrifice, however that is because those statements are addressing me personaly.  The event is much larger than myself and involves much more than the matter of the Frosts.</p>
<p>Like I said, one hour of a three day event.  Saying RWB is all about the Frosts is like saying it is all about Voodoo possessions (that one has a two hour time slot).</p>
<p>A.J. Drew</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Now I hear you all moaning (because I hear it so often from fellow Pagans) that nobody has a right to tell other people how to do things-&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Greetings;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You&#039;re right. It takes a book, a movie, a stupid TV show, or a board game to do that!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Fraternally,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Shadow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Now I hear you all moaning (because I hear it so often from fellow Pagans) that nobody has a right to tell other people how to do things-</p>
<p>Greetings;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right. It takes a book, a movie, a stupid TV show, or a board game to do that!</p>
<p>Fraternally,</p>
<p>Shadow</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/06/sacrificing-frosts.html/comment-page-1#comment-1102</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I&#039;m not a big fan of the publicity stunt, I do agree that the Pagan community at large should make very clear that what is written in The Good Witches Bible is NOT the norm of things and is certainly NOT acceptable in modern Paganism. That book has been used to condemn us and many newbies coming out of Christianity look to it as seriously as their former Bible. It is alarming and, while I certainly am not promoting censorship, a disclaimer might be in order- or at least some of our Pagan Elders could stop praising the Frosts so long and loud. In my own writings they are mentioned for their contributions- which are no small thing- but I also mention that their style is controversial and not at all representative of the values of your average American Pagan.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now I hear you all moaning (because I hear it so often from fellow Pagans) that nobody has a right to tell other people how to do things- and you are correct, inasmuch as those things do not involve illegal activity, especially child abuse! Once innocents are being harmed, or a situation is created in which innocents can be harmed, something needs to be done- even if that something is nothing greater than the rest of us saying- We don&#039;t agree with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I&#8217;m not a big fan of the publicity stunt, I do agree that the Pagan community at large should make very clear that what is written in The Good Witches Bible is NOT the norm of things and is certainly NOT acceptable in modern Paganism. That book has been used to condemn us and many newbies coming out of Christianity look to it as seriously as their former Bible. It is alarming and, while I certainly am not promoting censorship, a disclaimer might be in order- or at least some of our Pagan Elders could stop praising the Frosts so long and loud. In my own writings they are mentioned for their contributions- which are no small thing- but I also mention that their style is controversial and not at all representative of the values of your average American Pagan.</p>
<p>Now I hear you all moaning (because I hear it so often from fellow Pagans) that nobody has a right to tell other people how to do things- and you are correct, inasmuch as those things do not involve illegal activity, especially child abuse! Once innocents are being harmed, or a situation is created in which innocents can be harmed, something needs to be done- even if that something is nothing greater than the rest of us saying- We don&#8217;t agree with that.</p>
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		<title>By: MoonMorgan</title>
		<link>http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/06/sacrificing-frosts.html/comment-page-1#comment-1100</link>
		<dc:creator>MoonMorgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to say, regardless of the age of the child/person in question, what the book proposes is still wrong. A father should not be helping even an 18 year old girl to insert phallus&#039;s. And the book does say child, NOT adolescent anyways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to say, regardless of the age of the child/person in question, what the book proposes is still wrong. A father should not be helping even an 18 year old girl to insert phallus&#8217;s. And the book does say child, NOT adolescent anyways.</p>
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