Comments on: Grave Robbing http://wildhunt.org/blog/2006/09/grave-robbing.html Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:29:08 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Luna http://wildhunt.org/blog/2006/09/grave-robbing.html/comment-page-1#comment-557 Luna Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:27:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2006/09/grave-robbing.html#comment-557 This weekend, I went to the fine arts museum and toured its extensive Egyptian antiquities department, which features several mummies. At least one of them, as far as I know, still has a body in it. <br/><br/>It was fascinating, the exhibit is respectful, informative . . . but Boston is not exactly Egypt. Should these things be returned? Should all the remains and artifacts from museums be returned and reburied, entombed? What if the locations where the remains where retrieved are no longer suitable for burial? Given the thousands of years between many of the internments and now, is this something that we can even do, feasibly? I guess it depends on surviving descendents -- are today's pagans, wiccans, and others really to be considered "descendents" of these people? Sure, we may consider the ancients our spiritual ancestors, but we certainly do not necessarily have a genetic or ethnic claim. <br/>I'm not proposing a definitive answer to this question, but it seems that science may have a more plausible claim. Someone else here wrote that if scientists did not dig up graves, we wouldn't have most of our information on the ancient world from which we develop/reconstruct the very religions we are trying to respect. This weekend, I went to the fine arts museum and toured its extensive Egyptian antiquities department, which features several mummies. At least one of them, as far as I know, still has a body in it.

It was fascinating, the exhibit is respectful, informative . . . but Boston is not exactly Egypt. Should these things be returned? Should all the remains and artifacts from museums be returned and reburied, entombed? What if the locations where the remains where retrieved are no longer suitable for burial? Given the thousands of years between many of the internments and now, is this something that we can even do, feasibly? I guess it depends on surviving descendents — are today’s pagans, wiccans, and others really to be considered “descendents” of these people? Sure, we may consider the ancients our spiritual ancestors, but we certainly do not necessarily have a genetic or ethnic claim.
I’m not proposing a definitive answer to this question, but it seems that science may have a more plausible claim. Someone else here wrote that if scientists did not dig up graves, we wouldn’t have most of our information on the ancient world from which we develop/reconstruct the very religions we are trying to respect.

]]> By: Anonymous http://wildhunt.org/blog/2006/09/grave-robbing.html/comment-page-1#comment-533 Anonymous Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:31:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2006/09/grave-robbing.html#comment-533 Much of what makes up the information that modern pagans use to udnerstand ancient pagans would never have been known if people didn't dig up graves. <br/><br/>The real problem here, as I see it, is the double standard. Perhaps there should be a statute of limitation on burials...<br/><br/>I've excavated Crusader graves...etc, the politics of digging up the dead are extremely complex, but I'd suggest a reasonable amount of time for the generations who can legitimately trace their genealogy to the person, and can make it known to be sacrosanct as far as the burial. Hell, I hope someone digs me up and learns a lot from me someday, it would be good to think my dry bones are more useful to them than to me.<br/><br/>--PEter Much of what makes up the information that modern pagans use to udnerstand ancient pagans would never have been known if people didn’t dig up graves.

The real problem here, as I see it, is the double standard. Perhaps there should be a statute of limitation on burials…

I’ve excavated Crusader graves…etc, the politics of digging up the dead are extremely complex, but I’d suggest a reasonable amount of time for the generations who can legitimately trace their genealogy to the person, and can make it known to be sacrosanct as far as the burial. Hell, I hope someone digs me up and learns a lot from me someday, it would be good to think my dry bones are more useful to them than to me.

–PEter

]]> By: The Pagan Temple http://wildhunt.org/blog/2006/09/grave-robbing.html/comment-page-1#comment-524 The Pagan Temple Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:30:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2006/09/grave-robbing.html#comment-524 I tend to think the graves should be returned to their original state as soon as possible. The problem is, I don't see how that can be done in such a way as to provide protection from potential vandals and grave robbers, who might consider the artifacts valuable, as a good many of them doubtless are. I tend to think the graves should be returned to their original state as soon as possible. The problem is, I don’t see how that can be done in such a way as to provide protection from potential vandals and grave robbers, who might consider the artifacts valuable, as a good many of them doubtless are.

]]> By: Anonymous http://wildhunt.org/blog/2006/09/grave-robbing.html/comment-page-1#comment-522 Anonymous Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:13:00 +0000 http://wildhunt.org/blog/2006/09/grave-robbing.html#comment-522 I think the Egyptians might have the balanced solution: have a very good reason to open grave sites to begin with, study as much as possible without destroying anything, return things to their resting places as soon as possible. I think our ancestors would have wanted us to learn from them - they left enough in the way of carvings and paintings, intended to last for future generations, that I think this is a reasonable assumption. At the same time, respecting our ancestors is of paramount importance - that they are dead does not make them less human - and scientists should bear in mind that objects found in graves and tombs belong to the dead. We have the technology to make very accurate reproductions of anything we might find in a grave, so we do not need to deprive the dead of their last possessions for very long at all. One justification I can think of to the contrary would be if permanently removing the dead and their belongings is the only way to protect them from other forms of human intrusion...in which case I would propose the creation of a new site in which to eventually return the dead to their rest.<br/><br/>To answer the question regarding the sacredness of an ancient burial site, I believe they would be no more or less sacred than modern burial sites. I think the Egyptians might have the balanced solution: have a very good reason to open grave sites to begin with, study as much as possible without destroying anything, return things to their resting places as soon as possible. I think our ancestors would have wanted us to learn from them – they left enough in the way of carvings and paintings, intended to last for future generations, that I think this is a reasonable assumption. At the same time, respecting our ancestors is of paramount importance – that they are dead does not make them less human – and scientists should bear in mind that objects found in graves and tombs belong to the dead. We have the technology to make very accurate reproductions of anything we might find in a grave, so we do not need to deprive the dead of their last possessions for very long at all. One justification I can think of to the contrary would be if permanently removing the dead and their belongings is the only way to protect them from other forms of human intrusion…in which case I would propose the creation of a new site in which to eventually return the dead to their rest.

To answer the question regarding the sacredness of an ancient burial site, I believe they would be no more or less sacred than modern burial sites.

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