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		<title>By: Bernulf</title>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I don&#039;t think the answer is the replacement of &#039;dualistic&#039; faith with &#039;pluralistic&#039; faith because I don&#039;t think that any belief system is immune from corruption or selfish impulses.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think this is the crux of the problem, and I think that the severity of this problem is directly proportional to the degree in which politics and religion are mixed.</description>
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<p>I think this is the crux of the problem, and I think that the severity of this problem is directly proportional to the degree in which politics and religion are mixed.</p>
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		<title>By: Poodlezilla</title>
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		<description>Well, if you look at your post from yesterday. . .&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyhow:  I love the atheists.  They always seem to be on top of things and they keep everyone informed.  That being said: the link to the article that I was e-mailed this week by the Kentucky Atheists was unavaliable, so here&#039;s the text:&lt;br/&gt;Disowning Conservative Politics Is Costly for Pastor&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;By LAURIE GOODSTEIN, The New York Times&lt;br/&gt;MAPLEWOOD, Minn. (July 30) -- Like most pastors who lead thriving&lt;br/&gt;evangelical megachurches, the Rev. Gregory A. Boyd was asked frequently to&lt;br/&gt;give his blessing -- and the church&#039;s -- to conservative political&lt;br/&gt;candidates and causes.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bill Alkofer, The New York Times&lt;br/&gt;The Woodland Hills Church in St. Paul, Minn., lost about 1,000 of its 5,000&lt;br/&gt;members after Rev. Gregory Boyd urged in June an end to sexual moralizing&lt;br/&gt;and military glorification and said America should not be proclaimed a&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Christian nation.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The requests came from church members and visitors alike: Would he please&lt;br/&gt;announce a rally against gay marriage during services? Would he introduce a&lt;br/&gt;politician from the pulpit? Could members set up a table in the lobby&lt;br/&gt;promoting their anti-abortion work? Would the church distribute &quot;voters&#039;&lt;br/&gt;guides&quot; that all but endorsed Republican candidates? And with the country at&lt;br/&gt;war, please couldn&#039;t the church hang an American flag in the sanctuary?&lt;br/&gt;After refusing each time, Mr. Boyd finally became fed up, he said. Before&lt;br/&gt;the last presidential election, he preached six sermons called &quot;The Cross&lt;br/&gt;and the Sword&quot; in which he said the church should steer clear of politics,&lt;br/&gt;give up moralizing on sexual issues, stop claiming the United States as a&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Christian nation&quot; and stop glorifying American military campaigns.&lt;br/&gt;&quot;When the church wins the culture wars, it inevitably loses,&quot; Mr. Boyd&lt;br/&gt;preached. &quot;When it conquers the world, it becomes the world. When you put&lt;br/&gt;your trust in the sword, you lose the cross.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;Mr. Boyd says he is no liberal. He is opposed to abortion and thinks&lt;br/&gt;homosexuality is not God&#039;s ideal. The response from his congregation at&lt;br/&gt;Woodland Hills Church here in suburban St. Paul -- packed mostly with&lt;br/&gt;politically and theologically conservative, middle-class evangelicals -- was&lt;br/&gt;passionate. Some members walked out of a sermon and never returned. By the&lt;br/&gt;time the dust had settled, Woodland Hills, which Mr. Boyd founded in 1992,&lt;br/&gt;had lost about 1,000 of its 5,000 members.&lt;br/&gt;But there were also congregants who thanked Mr. Boyd, telling him they were&lt;br/&gt;moved to tears to hear him voice concerns they had been too afraid to share.&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Most of my friends are believers,&quot; said Shannon Staiger, a psychotherapist&lt;br/&gt;and church member, &quot;and they think if you&#039;re a believer, you&#039;ll vote for&lt;br/&gt;Bush. And it&#039;s scary to go against that.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;Sermons like Mr. Boyd&#039;s are hardly typical in today&#039;s evangelical churches.&lt;br/&gt;But the upheaval at Woodland Hills is an example of the internal debates now&lt;br/&gt;going on in some evangelical colleges, magazines and churches. A common&lt;br/&gt;concern is that the Christian message is being compromised by the tendency&lt;br/&gt;to tie evangelical Christianity to the Republican Party and American&lt;br/&gt;nationalism, especially through the war in Iraq. And Mr. Boyd has a new book&lt;br/&gt;out, &quot;The Myth of a Christian Nation: How the Quest for Political Power Is&lt;br/&gt;Destroying the Church,&quot; which is based on his sermons.&lt;br/&gt;&quot;There is a lot of discontent brewing,&quot; said Brian D. McLaren, the founding&lt;br/&gt;pastor at Cedar Ridge Community Church in Gaithersburg, Md., and a leader in&lt;br/&gt;the evangelical movement known as the &quot;emerging church,&quot; which is at the&lt;br/&gt;forefront of challenging the more politicized evangelical establishment.&lt;br/&gt;&quot;More and more people are saying this has gone too far -- the dominance of&lt;br/&gt;the evangelical identity by the religious right,&quot; Mr. McLaren said. &quot;You&lt;br/&gt;cannot say the word &#039;Jesus&#039; in 2006 without having an awful lot of baggage&lt;br/&gt;going along with it. You can&#039;t say the word &#039;Christian,&#039; and you certainly&lt;br/&gt;can&#039;t say the word &#039;evangelical&#039; without it now raising connotations and a&lt;br/&gt;certain cringe factor in people.&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Because people think, &#039;Oh no, what is going to come next is homosexual&lt;br/&gt;bashing, or pro-war rhetoric, or complaining about &#039;activist judges.&#039; &quot;&lt;br/&gt;Mr. Boyd said he had cleared his sermons with the church&#039;s board, but his&lt;br/&gt;words left some in his congregation stunned. Some said that he was&lt;br/&gt;disrespecting President Bush and the military, that he was soft on abortion&lt;br/&gt;or telling them not to vote.&lt;br/&gt;&quot;When we joined years ago, Greg was a conservative speaker,&quot; said William&lt;br/&gt;Berggren, a lawyer who joined the church with his wife six years ago. &quot;But&lt;br/&gt;we totally disagreed with him on this. You can&#039;t be a Christian and ignore&lt;br/&gt;actions that you feel are wrong. A case in point is the abortion issue. If&lt;br/&gt;the church were awake when abortion was passed in the 70&#039;s, it wouldn&#039;t have&lt;br/&gt;happened. But the church was asleep.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;Mr. Boyd, 49, who preaches in blue jeans and rumpled plaid shirts, leads a&lt;br/&gt;church that occupies a squat block-long building that was once a home&lt;br/&gt;improvement chain store.&lt;br/&gt;The church grew from 40 members in 12 years, based in no small part on Mr.&lt;br/&gt;Boyd&#039;s draw as an electrifying preacher who stuck closely to Scripture. He&lt;br/&gt;has degrees from Yale Divinity School and Princeton Theological Seminary,&lt;br/&gt;and he taught theology at Bethel College in St. Paul, where he created a&lt;br/&gt;controversy a few years ago by questioning whether God fully knew the&lt;br/&gt;future. Some pastors in his own denomination, the Baptist General&lt;br/&gt;Conference, mounted an effort to evict Mr. Boyd from the denomination and&lt;br/&gt;his teaching post, but he won that battle. He is known among evangelicals&lt;br/&gt;for a bestselling book, &quot;Letters From a Skeptic,&quot; based on correspondence&lt;br/&gt;with his father, a leftist union organizer and a lifelong agnostic -- an&lt;br/&gt;exchange that eventually persuaded his father to embrace Christianity.&lt;br/&gt;Mr. Boyd said he never intended his sermons to be taken as merely a critique&lt;br/&gt;of the Republican Party or the religious right. He refuses to share his&lt;br/&gt;party affiliation, or whether he has one, for that reason. He said there&lt;br/&gt;were Christians on both the left and the right who had turned politics and&lt;br/&gt;patriotism into &quot;idolatry.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;He said he first became alarmed while visiting another megachurch&#039;s worship&lt;br/&gt;service on a Fourth of July years ago. The service finished with the chorus&lt;br/&gt;singing &quot;God Bless America&quot; and a video of fighter jets flying over a hill&lt;br/&gt;silhouetted with crosses.&lt;br/&gt;&quot;I thought to myself, &#039;What just happened? Fighter jets mixed up with the&lt;br/&gt;cross?&#039; &quot; he said in an interview.&lt;br/&gt;Patriotic displays are still a mainstay in some evangelical churches. Across&lt;br/&gt;town from Mr. Boyd&#039;s church, the sanctuary of North Heights Lutheran Church&lt;br/&gt;was draped in bunting on the Sunday before the Fourth of July this year for&lt;br/&gt;a &quot;freedom celebration.&quot; Military veterans and flag twirlers paraded into&lt;br/&gt;the sanctuary, an enormous American flag rose slowly behind the stage, and a&lt;br/&gt;Marine major who had served in Afghanistan preached that the military was&lt;br/&gt;spending &quot;your hard-earned money&quot; on good causes.&lt;br/&gt;In his six sermons, Mr. Boyd laid out a broad argument that the role of&lt;br/&gt;Christians was not to seek &quot;power over&quot; others -- by controlling&lt;br/&gt;governments, passing legislation or fighting wars.&lt;br/&gt;Christians should instead seek to have &quot;power under&quot; others - &quot;winning&lt;br/&gt;people&#039;s hearts&quot; by sacrificing for those in need, as Jesus did, Mr. Boyd&lt;br/&gt;said.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;America wasn&#039;t founded as a theocracy,&quot; he said. &quot;America was founded by&lt;br/&gt;people trying to escape theocracies. Never in history have we had a&lt;br/&gt;Christian theocracy where it wasn&#039;t bloody and barbaric. That&#039;s why our&lt;br/&gt;Constitution wisely put in a separation of church and state.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;I am sorry to tell you,&quot; he continued, &quot;that America is not the light of&lt;br/&gt;the world and the hope of the world. The light of the world and the hope of&lt;br/&gt;the world is Jesus Christ.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Mr. Boyd lambasted the &quot;hypocrisy and pettiness&quot; of Christians who focus on&lt;br/&gt;&quot;sexual issues&quot; like homosexuality, abortion or Janet Jackson&#039;s&lt;br/&gt;breast-revealing performance at the Super Bowl halftime show. He said&lt;br/&gt;Christians these days were constantly outraged about sex and perceived&lt;br/&gt;violations of their rights to display their faith in public.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Those are the two buttons to push if you want to get Christians to act,&quot; he&lt;br/&gt;said. &quot;And those are the two buttons Jesus never pushed.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Some Woodland Hills members said they applauded the sermons because they had&lt;br/&gt;resolved their conflicted feelings. David Churchill, a truck driver for&lt;br/&gt;U.P.S. and a Teamster for 26 years, said he had been &quot;raised in a&lt;br/&gt;religious-right home&quot; but was torn between the Republican expectations of&lt;br/&gt;faith and family and the Democratic expectations of his union.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When Mr. Boyd preached his sermons, &quot;it was liberating to me,&quot; Mr. Churchill&lt;br/&gt;said.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Mr. Boyd gave his sermons while his church was in the midst of a $7 million&lt;br/&gt;fund-raising campaign. But only $4 million came in, and 7 of the more than&lt;br/&gt;50 staff members were laid off, he said.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Mary Van Sickle, the family pastor at Woodland Hills, said she lost 20&lt;br/&gt;volunteers who had been the backbone of the church&#039;s Sunday school.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;They said, &#039;You&#039;re not doing what the church is supposed to be doing, which&lt;br/&gt;is supporting the Republican way,&#039; &quot; she said. &quot;It was some of my best&lt;br/&gt;volunteers.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Rev. Paul Eddy, a theology professor at Bethel College and the teaching&lt;br/&gt;pastor at Woodland Hills, said: &quot;Greg is an anomaly in the megachurch world.&lt;br/&gt;He didn&#039;t give a whit about church leadership, never read a book about&lt;br/&gt;church growth. His biggest fear is that people will think that all church is&lt;br/&gt;is a weekend carnival, with people liking the worship, the music, his&lt;br/&gt;speaking, and that&#039;s it.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In the end, those who left tended to be white, middle-class suburbanites,&lt;br/&gt;church staff members said. In their place, the church has added more members&lt;br/&gt;who live in the surrounding community - African-Americans, Hispanics and&lt;br/&gt;Hmong immigrants from Laos.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This suits Mr. Boyd. His vision for his church is an ethnically and&lt;br/&gt;economically diverse congregation that exemplifies Jesus&#039; teachings by its&lt;br/&gt;members&#039; actions. He, his wife and three other families from the church&lt;br/&gt;moved from the suburbs three years ago to a predominantly black neighborhood&lt;br/&gt;in St. Paul.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Mr. Boyd now says of the upheaval: &quot;I don&#039;t regret any aspect of it at all.&lt;br/&gt;It was a defining moment for us. We let go of something we were never called&lt;br/&gt;to be. We just didn&#039;t know the price we were going to pay for doing it.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;His congregation of about 4,000 is still digesting his message. Mr. Boyd&lt;br/&gt;arranged a forum on a recent Wednesday night to allow members to sound off&lt;br/&gt;on his new book. The reception was warm, but many of the 56 questions&lt;br/&gt;submitted in writing were pointed: Isn&#039;t abortion an evil that Christians&lt;br/&gt;should prevent? Are you saying Christians should not join the military? How&lt;br/&gt;can Christians possibly have &quot;power under&quot; Osama bin Laden? Didn&#039;t the&lt;br/&gt;church play an enormously positive role in the civil rights movement?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One woman asked: &quot;So why NOT us? If we contain the wisdom and grace and love&lt;br/&gt;and creativity of Jesus, why shouldn&#039;t we be the ones involved in politics&lt;br/&gt;and setting laws?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Mr. Boyd responded: &quot;I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a particular angle we have on&lt;br/&gt;society that others lack. All good, decent people want good and order and&lt;br/&gt;justice. Just don&#039;t slap the label &#039;Christian&#039; on it.&quot;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thought you might want to know.  It&#039;s swinging a different direction in some places.  Perhaps getting more set in others, but still.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you look at your post from yesterday. . .</p>
<p>Anyhow:  I love the atheists.  They always seem to be on top of things and they keep everyone informed.  That being said: the link to the article that I was e-mailed this week by the Kentucky Atheists was unavaliable, so here&#8217;s the text:<br />Disowning Conservative Politics Is Costly for Pastor</p>
<p>By LAURIE GOODSTEIN, The New York Times<br />MAPLEWOOD, Minn. (July 30) &#8212; Like most pastors who lead thriving<br />evangelical megachurches, the Rev. Gregory A. Boyd was asked frequently to<br />give his blessing &#8212; and the church&#8217;s &#8212; to conservative political<br />candidates and causes.</p>
<p>Bill Alkofer, The New York Times<br />The Woodland Hills Church in St. Paul, Minn., lost about 1,000 of its 5,000<br />members after Rev. Gregory Boyd urged in June an end to sexual moralizing<br />and military glorification and said America should not be proclaimed a<br />&#8220;Christian nation.&#8221;</p>
<p>The requests came from church members and visitors alike: Would he please<br />announce a rally against gay marriage during services? Would he introduce a<br />politician from the pulpit? Could members set up a table in the lobby<br />promoting their anti-abortion work? Would the church distribute &#8220;voters&#8217;<br />guides&#8221; that all but endorsed Republican candidates? And with the country at<br />war, please couldn&#8217;t the church hang an American flag in the sanctuary?<br />After refusing each time, Mr. Boyd finally became fed up, he said. Before<br />the last presidential election, he preached six sermons called &#8220;The Cross<br />and the Sword&#8221; in which he said the church should steer clear of politics,<br />give up moralizing on sexual issues, stop claiming the United States as a<br />&#8220;Christian nation&#8221; and stop glorifying American military campaigns.<br />&#8220;When the church wins the culture wars, it inevitably loses,&#8221; Mr. Boyd<br />preached. &#8220;When it conquers the world, it becomes the world. When you put<br />your trust in the sword, you lose the cross.&#8221;<br />Mr. Boyd says he is no liberal. He is opposed to abortion and thinks<br />homosexuality is not God&#8217;s ideal. The response from his congregation at<br />Woodland Hills Church here in suburban St. Paul &#8212; packed mostly with<br />politically and theologically conservative, middle-class evangelicals &#8212; was<br />passionate. Some members walked out of a sermon and never returned. By the<br />time the dust had settled, Woodland Hills, which Mr. Boyd founded in 1992,<br />had lost about 1,000 of its 5,000 members.<br />But there were also congregants who thanked Mr. Boyd, telling him they were<br />moved to tears to hear him voice concerns they had been too afraid to share.<br />&#8220;Most of my friends are believers,&#8221; said Shannon Staiger, a psychotherapist<br />and church member, &#8220;and they think if you&#8217;re a believer, you&#8217;ll vote for<br />Bush. And it&#8217;s scary to go against that.&#8221;<br />Sermons like Mr. Boyd&#8217;s are hardly typical in today&#8217;s evangelical churches.<br />But the upheaval at Woodland Hills is an example of the internal debates now<br />going on in some evangelical colleges, magazines and churches. A common<br />concern is that the Christian message is being compromised by the tendency<br />to tie evangelical Christianity to the Republican Party and American<br />nationalism, especially through the war in Iraq. And Mr. Boyd has a new book<br />out, &#8220;The Myth of a Christian Nation: How the Quest for Political Power Is<br />Destroying the Church,&#8221; which is based on his sermons.<br />&#8220;There is a lot of discontent brewing,&#8221; said Brian D. McLaren, the founding<br />pastor at Cedar Ridge Community Church in Gaithersburg, Md., and a leader in<br />the evangelical movement known as the &#8220;emerging church,&#8221; which is at the<br />forefront of challenging the more politicized evangelical establishment.<br />&#8220;More and more people are saying this has gone too far &#8212; the dominance of<br />the evangelical identity by the religious right,&#8221; Mr. McLaren said. &#8220;You<br />cannot say the word &#8216;Jesus&#8217; in 2006 without having an awful lot of baggage<br />going along with it. You can&#8217;t say the word &#8216;Christian,&#8217; and you certainly<br />can&#8217;t say the word &#8216;evangelical&#8217; without it now raising connotations and a<br />certain cringe factor in people.<br />&#8220;Because people think, &#8216;Oh no, what is going to come next is homosexual<br />bashing, or pro-war rhetoric, or complaining about &#8216;activist judges.&#8217; &#8220;<br />Mr. Boyd said he had cleared his sermons with the church&#8217;s board, but his<br />words left some in his congregation stunned. Some said that he was<br />disrespecting President Bush and the military, that he was soft on abortion<br />or telling them not to vote.<br />&#8220;When we joined years ago, Greg was a conservative speaker,&#8221; said William<br />Berggren, a lawyer who joined the church with his wife six years ago. &#8220;But<br />we totally disagreed with him on this. You can&#8217;t be a Christian and ignore<br />actions that you feel are wrong. A case in point is the abortion issue. If<br />the church were awake when abortion was passed in the 70&#8217;s, it wouldn&#8217;t have<br />happened. But the church was asleep.&#8221;<br />Mr. Boyd, 49, who preaches in blue jeans and rumpled plaid shirts, leads a<br />church that occupies a squat block-long building that was once a home<br />improvement chain store.<br />The church grew from 40 members in 12 years, based in no small part on Mr.<br />Boyd&#8217;s draw as an electrifying preacher who stuck closely to Scripture. He<br />has degrees from Yale Divinity School and Princeton Theological Seminary,<br />and he taught theology at Bethel College in St. Paul, where he created a<br />controversy a few years ago by questioning whether God fully knew the<br />future. Some pastors in his own denomination, the Baptist General<br />Conference, mounted an effort to evict Mr. Boyd from the denomination and<br />his teaching post, but he won that battle. He is known among evangelicals<br />for a bestselling book, &#8220;Letters From a Skeptic,&#8221; based on correspondence<br />with his father, a leftist union organizer and a lifelong agnostic &#8212; an<br />exchange that eventually persuaded his father to embrace Christianity.<br />Mr. Boyd said he never intended his sermons to be taken as merely a critique<br />of the Republican Party or the religious right. He refuses to share his<br />party affiliation, or whether he has one, for that reason. He said there<br />were Christians on both the left and the right who had turned politics and<br />patriotism into &#8220;idolatry.&#8221;<br />He said he first became alarmed while visiting another megachurch&#8217;s worship<br />service on a Fourth of July years ago. The service finished with the chorus<br />singing &#8220;God Bless America&#8221; and a video of fighter jets flying over a hill<br />silhouetted with crosses.<br />&#8220;I thought to myself, &#8216;What just happened? Fighter jets mixed up with the<br />cross?&#8217; &#8221; he said in an interview.<br />Patriotic displays are still a mainstay in some evangelical churches. Across<br />town from Mr. Boyd&#8217;s church, the sanctuary of North Heights Lutheran Church<br />was draped in bunting on the Sunday before the Fourth of July this year for<br />a &#8220;freedom celebration.&#8221; Military veterans and flag twirlers paraded into<br />the sanctuary, an enormous American flag rose slowly behind the stage, and a<br />Marine major who had served in Afghanistan preached that the military was<br />spending &#8220;your hard-earned money&#8221; on good causes.<br />In his six sermons, Mr. Boyd laid out a broad argument that the role of<br />Christians was not to seek &#8220;power over&#8221; others &#8212; by controlling<br />governments, passing legislation or fighting wars.<br />Christians should instead seek to have &#8220;power under&#8221; others &#8211; &#8220;winning<br />people&#8217;s hearts&#8221; by sacrificing for those in need, as Jesus did, Mr. Boyd<br />said.</p>
<p>&#8220;America wasn&#8217;t founded as a theocracy,&#8221; he said. &#8220;America was founded by<br />people trying to escape theocracies. Never in history have we had a<br />Christian theocracy where it wasn&#8217;t bloody and barbaric. That&#8217;s why our<br />Constitution wisely put in a separation of church and state.</p>
<p>&#8220;I am sorry to tell you,&#8221; he continued, &#8220;that America is not the light of<br />the world and the hope of the world. The light of the world and the hope of<br />the world is Jesus Christ.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mr. Boyd lambasted the &#8220;hypocrisy and pettiness&#8221; of Christians who focus on<br />&#8220;sexual issues&#8221; like homosexuality, abortion or Janet Jackson&#8217;s<br />breast-revealing performance at the Super Bowl halftime show. He said<br />Christians these days were constantly outraged about sex and perceived<br />violations of their rights to display their faith in public.</p>
<p>&#8220;Those are the two buttons to push if you want to get Christians to act,&#8221; he<br />said. &#8220;And those are the two buttons Jesus never pushed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some Woodland Hills members said they applauded the sermons because they had<br />resolved their conflicted feelings. David Churchill, a truck driver for<br />U.P.S. and a Teamster for 26 years, said he had been &#8220;raised in a<br />religious-right home&#8221; but was torn between the Republican expectations of<br />faith and family and the Democratic expectations of his union.</p>
<p>When Mr. Boyd preached his sermons, &#8220;it was liberating to me,&#8221; Mr. Churchill<br />said.</p>
<p>Mr. Boyd gave his sermons while his church was in the midst of a $7 million<br />fund-raising campaign. But only $4 million came in, and 7 of the more than<br />50 staff members were laid off, he said.</p>
<p>Mary Van Sickle, the family pastor at Woodland Hills, said she lost 20<br />volunteers who had been the backbone of the church&#8217;s Sunday school.</p>
<p>&#8220;They said, &#8216;You&#8217;re not doing what the church is supposed to be doing, which<br />is supporting the Republican way,&#8217; &#8221; she said. &#8220;It was some of my best<br />volunteers.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Rev. Paul Eddy, a theology professor at Bethel College and the teaching<br />pastor at Woodland Hills, said: &#8220;Greg is an anomaly in the megachurch world.<br />He didn&#8217;t give a whit about church leadership, never read a book about<br />church growth. His biggest fear is that people will think that all church is<br />is a weekend carnival, with people liking the worship, the music, his<br />speaking, and that&#8217;s it.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the end, those who left tended to be white, middle-class suburbanites,<br />church staff members said. In their place, the church has added more members<br />who live in the surrounding community &#8211; African-Americans, Hispanics and<br />Hmong immigrants from Laos.</p>
<p>This suits Mr. Boyd. His vision for his church is an ethnically and<br />economically diverse congregation that exemplifies Jesus&#8217; teachings by its<br />members&#8217; actions. He, his wife and three other families from the church<br />moved from the suburbs three years ago to a predominantly black neighborhood<br />in St. Paul.</p>
<p>Mr. Boyd now says of the upheaval: &#8220;I don&#8217;t regret any aspect of it at all.<br />It was a defining moment for us. We let go of something we were never called<br />to be. We just didn&#8217;t know the price we were going to pay for doing it.&#8221;</p>
<p>His congregation of about 4,000 is still digesting his message. Mr. Boyd<br />arranged a forum on a recent Wednesday night to allow members to sound off<br />on his new book. The reception was warm, but many of the 56 questions<br />submitted in writing were pointed: Isn&#8217;t abortion an evil that Christians<br />should prevent? Are you saying Christians should not join the military? How<br />can Christians possibly have &#8220;power under&#8221; Osama bin Laden? Didn&#8217;t the<br />church play an enormously positive role in the civil rights movement?</p>
<p>One woman asked: &#8220;So why NOT us? If we contain the wisdom and grace and love<br />and creativity of Jesus, why shouldn&#8217;t we be the ones involved in politics<br />and setting laws?&#8221;</p>
<p>Mr. Boyd responded: &#8220;I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a particular angle we have on<br />society that others lack. All good, decent people want good and order and<br />justice. Just don&#8217;t slap the label &#8216;Christian&#8217; on it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thought you might want to know.  It&#8217;s swinging a different direction in some places.  Perhaps getting more set in others, but still.</p>
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