CNN Ties Accused White Supremacist Killer Frazier Glenn Cross to Odinism

Jason Pitzl-Waters —  April 15, 2014 — 78 Comments

On Sunday, avowed white supremacist Frazier Glenn Cross (aka Glenn Miller) allegedly shot at two Jewish community centers in the Kansas City area, killing three people. Cross reportedly shouted “Heil Hitler!” during his arrest, and authorities have officially classified the shooting rampage as a hate crime. This shocking incident, which happened on the eve of the festival of Passover, has had individuals, and the press, digging for more information on the alleged shooter. Daniel Burke, co-editor at CNN’s Belief Blog, believes he has uncovered the religion angle to this story: Cross is not a Christian, but an Odinist.

Frazier Glenn Cross

Frazier Glenn Cross

“Frazier Glenn Cross is a white supremacist, an avowed anti-Semite and an accused killer. But he is not, as many think, a Christian. [...] The 73-year-old has espoused anti-Semitism for decades. He also founded racist groups like a branch of the Ku Klux Klan and the White Patriot Party, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center. Both groups have deep ties to Christian white supremacists. But according to Cross’ 1999 biography, he is an adherent of Odinism, a neo-pagan religion that experts say has become one of the most vicious strains in the white supremacist movement.”

The article then quotes from an autobiography written by Cross in 1999.

“I’d love to see North America’s 100 million Aryan Christians convert to the religion invented by their own race and practiced for a thousand generations before the Jews thought up Christianity. Odinism! This was the religion for a strong heroic people, the Germanic people, from whose loins we all descended, be we German, English, Scott, Irish, or Scandinavian, in whole or in part.”

As this new information came to light, Heathen groups and individuals were quick to distance their faith from the racist strain of Germanic paganism practiced by Cross and those like him. These voices speaking out included members of The Troth, one of the largest mainstream Heathen organizations in North America, and the activist group Heathens United Against Racism.

“Asatru and the worship of Odin have no connection with white supremacy, no more so than Christianity has to do with white supremacists. And there are bigots and haters in all faith traditions. In The Troth, we embrace diversity and welcome all who are called to our Gods, and are working with our program, In-Reach, to offer an alternative to the racist material that is circulated in prisons by members of racist gangs such as the Aryan Brotherhood. Crime such as what Frazier Cross is accused of, is abhorrent to us. Personally I extend my prayers to the Jewish community on this heinous crime committed during the high holy time of Passover.” – Lisa Morgenstern, member of the High Rede of The Troth, and Volunteer Chaplain at CSP-Los Angeles County for Heathens, Druids, and Wiccans.

Heathens United Against Racism

“Equating all of Heathenry to the beliefs of a racist Odinist is the equivalent of equating all the beliefs of Christianity to the beliefs of the Westboro Baptist Church. While Heathens are by nature a highly diverse and sometimes argumentative lot, those who are discovered to be white supremacists are quickly ostracized from the general Heathen community. Heathens United Against Racism tries to help expose those who would try and use our faith to promote hatred.” – Natalie River Smith, a member of Heathens United Against Racism.

Another HUAR member, Harrison Hall, added that “Cross’s actions are unforgivable, without question” while Steven T. Abell, Steersman for The Troth, says that he hopes for “swift and harsh judgment and punishment for the perpetrator.” Dr. Karl E. H. Seigfried, who writes at The Norse Mythology Blog, called the shooting “heartbreaking” and “infuriating.”

“The disgusting violence in Kansas on Sunday is truly heartbreaking. I can’t begin to imagine the overwhelming pain of a family losing both a teenage son and his grandfather on the same day. The man accused of killing them seems to have been an ignorant racist maniac on a willful anti-Semitic rampage, which makes this horror not only tragic but infuriating. I find it personally abhorrent that the accused, at least at some point, claimed that his white supremacist delusions were rooted in his purported ancestors’ worship of Odin. I believe that there is no place for racism in heathenry. There is no place for anti-Semitism in heathenry. It is completely repellent to me that a violently disturbed individual tried to import his ideology of race-hatred into a contemporary religious tradition that focuses on wisdom, generosity and a balanced relationship with the world around us.”

These Heathen voices speak to the high value placed on honor, truth, and hospitality within their interconnected communities. Individuals, groups, and family units that abhor the racist appropriations that have blossomed on the fringes of society. That said, CNN’s assertion as to faith of the alleged shooter starts to get murky as the piece progresses. After quoting from the 1999 autobiography, we then learn Cross presented himself as a “traditional monotheist” when running for political office in 2008, and then, according to a religious studies professor who knew him, as an atheist.

“David Embree, a religious studies professor at Missouri State University, said Cross presented himself as a traditional monotheist when he ran for Congress in 2008. But when he spoke at Embree’s classroom in 2012, his views had apparently changed, the professor said. ‘He essentially self-identified as an atheist,’ Embree said.”

This section is inserted towards the end of the piece, and is then seemingly ignored in the closing (which again quotes the 1999 autobiography). So, what are the actual beliefs of Frazier Glenn Cross? Odinist? Generic monotheist? Atheist? If professor David Embree is to be believed, he hadn’t publicly identified as an Odinist for several years. Is there some source that Daniel Burke has tying Cross to Odinism recently that he isn’t quoting? As it stands, some Heathens are unhappy with the way this piece was reported, with Troth Steersman Steven T. Abell expressing the “hope that the reporter who wrote the CNN article will learn to do his job better.” Meanwhile, Dr. Seigfried notes that no Heathens were interviewed for the CNN Belief Blog article.

“Mr. Burke fails to quote a single actual follower of the Old Way. Maybe he made a heroic effort to contact heathen religious organizations, leaders, individuals and writers to gain their input, and no one responded. It would only be good journalistic practice to include the voice of at least one follower of a faith tradition you are covering, wouldn’t it? On the other hand, he was sure to get in a disclaimer distancing Christianity from white supremacist action: he quotes Jonathan White saying, “It’s hard to get a violent god out of Jesus.” Leaving aside the endless historical and contemporary examples that contradict this statement, wouldn’t it be nice to have had some heathen, any heathen, being asked by CNN to make a statement about their tradition?”

 The problem of Pagan and Heathen faiths being appropriated by racists is a real one, and it is necessary and right for our organizations to speak up on the subject when horrific and brutal incidents like this occur, but the headline “Frazier Glenn Cross’ racist religion: Odinism” seems misleading at best when the alleged shooter appeared uncertain if he believed in any higher power as recently as 2012. For this CNN article to travel beyond mere sensationalism, a solid source pointing towards what Cross believed recently should be added, and if such a source does not exist, the piece should be altered to reflect what we actually know. In the meantime, Heathens are currently organizing to raise money for the victims of the shooting.

ADDENDUM: Daniel Burke at CNN’s Belief Blog has updated the piece with commentary from Josh Rood, founder of Óðrœrir Heathen Journal, and an MA student in Norse Religion at the University of Iceland. He has also changed the headline to “The accused Kansas killer’s neo-pagan religion.”

“I want to say that Frazier Glenn Cross is a monster, and it cannot be denied that he’s not alone,” said Josh Rood, an expert on Asatru at the University of Iceland. “The prison systems, and the white separatist movements have been bastardizing Asatru beliefs, symbols, and myths for a long time.”

It should be noted that Dr. Seigfried’s quotation was written before Rood’s commentary was added to the CNN piece.

ADDENDUM II: Heathens United Against Racism have posted an official statement.

“We wish to make it clear that Cross, and any others, who invoke the names of our Gods, our traditions, or our symbols as justification for their bloody rampages are the lowest of the low in our eyes. We stand, as a community, against all who would try to co-opt and pervert our practices just as the Nazis once did to support racist, fascist, or otherwise bigoted agendas. Such people are unquestionably unwelcome in our community and any who give them aid, shelter, or otherwise enable their bigotry are equally unwelcome in our hearths, rites, and events.

We extend our most sincere and heartfelt condolences to the victims of this terrible crime and the community this honorless, cowardly individual sought to terrorize. We stand with you in this time of terrible tragedy and will do whatever we can to help heal the wounds inflicted yesterday by one hateful man. We hope that going forward we can build a respectful, genuine dialog between our communities and work together against all who would inflict their hatred on others.”

You can read the entire statement, here.

ADDENDUM III: Joshua Rood, who was added to the original CNN Belief Blog piece as noted in my first addendum, has written a guest column for CNN on Heathenism’s battle with white supremacists.

“All religions have been used by people to justify what they know is wrong. All myths are subject to bastardization. We’ve seen this throughout history. Ásatrú is no more immune to it than any other religion. Myths and symbols can’t defend themselves. In the case of Ásatrú and the gods and symbols of Northern Europe, they have been latched onto and used by individuals and movements trying to push racialist, nationalist and violent agendas. It must be understood that these movements didn‘t evolve out of Ásatrú. They evolved out of racial or white power movements that latched onto Ásatrú, because a religion that came from Northern Europe is a more useful tool to a “white nationalist” than one that originated elsewhere.”

Meanwhile, as this aspect of the story continues to develop, TIME Magazine’s article on Frazier Glenn Cross features a quote from Robert Jones, the imperial klaliff of the Loyal White Knights, who described Cross as a “good Christian man who spoke out for what he believes in.” A strange description for someone who purportedly was immersed in racist Odinism.

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  • http://www.cernowain.com/ cernowain greenman

    “It’s hard to get a violent god out of Jesus.” Umm, you mean the Jesus who attacked people at another Jewish community center with a whip?

    • Crystal Hope Kendrick

      Yeah, but to be fair that was one of the cooler things that happened in the New Testament according to this anti-Capitalist chick. ; )

      • Charles Cosimano

        Yeah, but remember what they did to Jesus the next day.

      • http://www.cernowain.com/ cernowain greenman

        I know there are some certain bankers I’d like to CHASE around with a whip.

    • Simian Freud

      That is my favorite part of the Bible and he had every right to do it. Those people were committing usury at the temple. Jesus just snapped. I wish I could have seen the faces and he just whipped the $h!t out of them…haha. Go Jesus, clean house.

      • http://www.cernowain.com/ cernowain greenman

        I often wonder how long it was after Jesus taught his disciples to “love your enemies” that he then actually went into the temple court and began to crack the whip upon his opponents.

        • Johnny L

          tough love ;)

      • Deborah Bender

        They were not. Usury is the lending of money at unreasonable rates of interest. The money changers at the Temple weren’t making loans. They were exchanging foreign money for local money, so that travelers could purchase items to give to the Temple priesthood to be sacrificed on their behalf.

        The Jerusalem Temple was the only place in the known world where Jews could lawfully perform sacrifice, and Jews traveled from all over the Mediterranean to visit the Temple. They needed their money changed, and having money changers on location in the outer precincts of the Temple was a service to them. The money changers’ stalls were in the outer precincts, the least holy part of the Temple, where anybody, Jew or Gentile, could go.

        The Temple was also a tourist attraction for pagans, and some of them also made offerings, just as the average tourist visiting a Hindu or Buddhist temple would be happy to make a donation and light a stick of incense.

        To the best of my knowledge, the money changers were not violating any Jewish law as long as they didn’t handle money on the Sabbath.

        Jesus may have had other beefs with the Temple priesthood that motivated him to this act of violence. The fact remains that Jesus assaulted peaceful merchants who were doing nothing wrong. He assaulted them with a weapon, and he deserved to be arrested and prosecuted for it like any other thug. Beyond that, Jesus disturbed the peace of the most holy site in Judaism, even if it was only the outer precincts, and disturbing the peace of a sacred place is a seriously wrong act in any religion. How you can applaud what Jesus did is beyond my understanding.

    • kenofken

      Violence has come out of Jesus and Christianity as naturally as breathing, and it has to do with things far more fundamental than the temple incident. It arises from the exclusivist claims on salvation and the mandate to save humanity from itself, and essentially to do so by any means necessary. For all of his supposed meekness, Jesus is a figure that claimed to be the only conduit to divinity (and thus out of Hell), and also empowered an organization to act with divine authority on Earth. All of the holy wars, torture, suppression of heresy etc., were features of the religion, not bugs. They were rooted in theology and scriptures and the teachings of a messiah figure which said that harsh medicine was often required for salvation and that the church was fully authorized to administer it to anyone at any time.

      • http://www.cernowain.com/ cernowain greenman

        I’d point out that we do not have any writings of Jesus, only writings of his followers. Whether he made these claims or not is debatable. But the gospel writers and the church did make these claims later on, and their words have been the foundation for antisemitism, inquisitions, holy wars, etc.

        • Johnny L

          the entire bible is written by others…old and new…whether or not it is the hand of god is debatable since broken telephone has occurred throughout “history”..watch BBC – who made the bible (UK BBC) …even the rabbis agree.

  • Cheryl Essary Nesselrodt

    My husband is an Odinist/Asatru prison chaplain. This is exactly what he will not tolerate among his students. He has told them in no uncertain terms that racism is not condoned, and if they are there looking for some kind of justification for hate, they need to leave. Will be contacting The Troth to see if any of their materials might help him. Thanks for the article!

    • Francis Marino

      I am also a Heathen of Wildfire Kindred and this trash does not represent us at all. He is a disgrace to even be associated with any of the faith

      • ChristopherBlackwell

        Of course he doesn’t, but speak it out often and well.

        • Francis Marino

          right on

    • ChristopherBlackwell

      It is the only way to fight it in prison, is to have someone who can teach it as it is. I know not all Heathens believe in dealing with Prisoners. But personally I think he is a brave person who cares about his religion. Who knows he may even help create some decent people. A prisoner who does change and become honorable can be a big help in redirecting youth in danger of going bad, because he can give the facts of what it is really like, and not the street myth or the Hollywood myth about being criminal. The only way to fight crime is to prevent it and turn away kids as early as possible.

      • Francis Marino

        Dude I am right with you, I think we should reach out to them, if even just to say hey someone is here for you.

    • Anonymous Coward

      He should probably bring up the fact that, if we’re looking at the mythology, most of the more prominent Aesir such as Thor, Tyr, and even Odin among others are the result of “mixed” intercourse

  • TheSkald

    Hi Jason,

    Harrison and and I and a couple of other like minded heathens have come together to start a crowdfunding effort to go to those effected by Cross’s crime. If you can, I’d really appreciate you adding a link to it in this article, or perhaps making another post to inform your readership? Here is the link.

    http://www.youcaring.com/help-a-neighbor/benefit-for-victims-of-the-kansas-city-shootings/165331

    Thank you for giving heathens a voice.

    • http://www.wildhunt.org/blog/ Jason Pitzl-Waters

      I link to the campaign where I write: “Heathens are currently organizing to raise money for the victims of the shooting.”

    • ChristopherBlackwell

      Another great idea.

  • Dscarron

    Thanks Jason for getting this out.

    While the CNN piece wasn’t terribly in depth, I have seen worse. Although, I’m kinda perplexed at Carl’s statement of “that no Heathens were interviewed for the CNN Belief Blog article” when Josh Rood was clearly mentioned and quoted. I’m hoping that bad blood was not a factor here.

    • Jossi Atli Hróðgeirsson

      Well I’m not sure why Seigfried is even making a statement. He’s not a part of any Heathen org or community. Mr Burke was very polite and did include the quote of an “Actual follower”.

      • Karl E. H. Seigfrued

        The quote from Josh was apparently added to the original CNN article overnight. When Jason was working on the piece late last night, and I was writing my short statement, Josh’s quote was not in Burke’s post. I’m very glad he Burke made the change, and I just wrote Jason, askinghim to update his article.

        • Karl E. H. Seigfried

          Sorry about typos above (including my own name!). On phone with tiny keyboard, but wanted to reply immediately. Now waiting for Jason to update article.

        • Dscarron

          Good to know. I’m glad that at least we have gotten CNN to make an attempt to do right by us.

      • Brian Smith

        He has a pulse and a blog… ergo, he is an expert.

  • Magni Thorsson

    Jason, if the CNN wants to interview someone that has been a Heathen for their entire life, been a Gothi ordained by Jormundr Ingi for 18 years and run a Kindred in Colorado for 19 years have them contact me magnithorsson@gmail.com

  • Chelsea Kruger

    One person claims to be of a certain religion or belief system and suddenly the media acts like everyone connected with that path are like that. Its a bunch of BS. There are pieces of crap in every walk of life and faith.

  • WAH

    “So what are the actual beliefs of Frazier Glen Cross?”

    The answer is simple: racism. Seriously, the only constant through his life, apparently, is his hate for others for no good reason. It doesn’t matter what religion he dresses it up with, what he really worships is his own irrational hate.

  • Franklin_Evans

    The decline (as a general thing, present company excluded) in journalistic integrity being an insult to injury, our society is very much to blame for elevating to a “societal-cultural value” the assignment of guilt by association.

    Why does Cross’ beliefs matter to the reporting of this story? Because “hate” crime has somehow dodged the Big Brother label, because thoughts are now arbitrarily exactly the same as actions — and to all of my beloved magic practitioners, all you have to do to change my mind here is show me the bruises or blood a split-second after the thought of it — and because our society is governed by avoiding what we fear instead of being prepared to face that which we should fear.

    I consider Heathens my fellow travelers. I will fight this fight with them. In the meantime, let us be very sure of who the actual enemies are, and the most effective way to fight them.

  • Heidi Johnston

    sadly-the obvious answer of a mans descent to madness is never broached-what if anything He actually believed during the course of his life is really irrelevant except to other hate-mongers looking to point fingers and instill more ignorance and fear.

  • blackdruid

    This person is no pagan (norse flavor or otherwise)

    • Hecate_Demetersdatter

      Sounds like the “No True Scotsman” defense. In my humble opinion, it’s better to admit that we have a problem within our ranks and to address the problem than to attempt to define it away.

      • Alyxander M Folmer

        Agreed.

      • http://quakerpagan.blogspot.com/ Cat C-B

        Though in this case, it does sound as though his actual allegiance to Odinism is open to question… not merely how good (or terrible) an example of it he is.

  • Elizabeth Berry

    I say be careful. We are the topic of discussion in many groups. I know, paranoia, right? We just need to be aware and keep our eyes open. Just as the LGBTQ community is a target, we could be added to the hate agenda.

    • http://daoineile.com/ Aine

      A Jewish community center just got shot up. Sorry, but I think our focus should be on helping their community heal and not covering our own asses so we don’t ‘look bad’.

      • Elizabeth Berry

        It’s not about “covering our asses”. And I care for those people that were killed! It’s about not letting these politicians and IDIOTS use these incidents as a platform to try to out the Pagan community as a bunch of KILLERS! And now because of incidents like this, we are being labeled as a bunch of crazies!

    • Arsowen

      What is this comment? Seriously?
      So many of our traditions stress honor and doing the right thing… and you think we can do that by quietly hiding so no one can form a grudge? Only take a stance or do the right thing when convenient?
      And FYI, as non-Christians we’ve been on the hate agenda for years.

      • Elizabeth Berry

        Never said HIDE did I? And seriously? I know we have bern on the agenda for a while, but the chatter is more active because of things like this!

  • http://www.bryonmorrigan.com/ Bryon Bragason von Ringer

    Well, I commented on the article, as well as wrote a letter to CNN, explaining that the idea that “Odinism” was a major part of the Nazis’ beliefs has been debunked by historians for a long time. The author of the piece, Daniel Burke(?), apparently relied upon an ancient SPLC article making that claim, never mind the fact that it’s complete and utter nonsense. It’s no better than any “Ancient Aliens” conspiracy theory, and the author should be shamed publicly for the unethical and unconscionable hate speech that such a smear comprises.

    What’s next? Are they gonna start quoting from the “Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion”? The only religion ever promoted by the Nazis was “Positive Christianity”.

    What a scumbag.

    • https://www.facebook.com/ThePaganNaturalist Nicole Youngman

      iirc there was a big brouhaha maybe 15yrs ago when the SPLC wrote something basically equating all neo-Paganism with the wingnut racist variety–anyone else remember that? It was deeply frustrating given all the good work that they do tracking militias and white supremacist groups.

      • Baruch Dreamstalker

        Yes, I remember that well and have had a jaundiced view of SPLC ever since. It resonates with this case. A European named Matthias Gardell wrote basically about racism in Asatru but painted a dire picture of Paganism generally in scandalously broad strokes. Mark Potok, editor and still an SPLC spokesman today, acknowledged some flaws but basically defended the paper and utterly failed, in dealing with angry Pagan responses, to follow one of SPLC’s golden guidelines: Listen to the Other before coming to conclusions.

      • http://www.bryonmorrigan.com/ Bryon Bragason von Ringer

        Yeah, the article he used to claim that the Nazis were “Odinists” was from 1998, so that would line up. No serious historian believes that nonsense.

      • Deborah Bender

        I used to get the SPLC magazine (as a donor) and I remember an issue somewhat more recently, maybe ten years ago, that focussed on Heathen groups in detail, including but not limited to prison groups. My recollection is that the article made careful and specific distinctions between groups the SPLC judged to be racist and groups that were not, by name. It seemed to be an effort not to tar everyone with the same brush.

        I wish I had kept that issue of the magazine for reference, as the SPLC keeps coming up in these discussions.

  • earl-rig

    I’m a heathen of the einherjar way kindred and was also in prison the asatru way in prison is only different because things are all segregated in prison that dont mean we are racist and I believe this person has no beliefs especially of asatru its quite distasteful that they would even mention our beliefs with this horrific crime.

  • Merlyn7

    Time to pinpoint a spokesperson, Odinists.

    • xJane

      Part of the problem is the lack of organization (of many pagan groups). It’s easy to find a Catholic/Protestant/Jewish/Muslim spokesperson—you just go down to the local church/temple/mosque. It’s harder to find your local grove/solitary/hof/whathaveyou. Plus, if it bleeds, it leads, unfortunately.

      • Merlyn7

        Which is why a media savvy Odinist would be very handy to have at this time. Phyllis Curott and Selena Fox have done very well by the the Witch community when serving as spokespeople.

        Then it becomes the community’s job to support said spokespeople rather than tear them down.

        • kenofken

          That’s part of it, but you can’t let this get too far under your skin or think that media savvy or a higher profile will head off all bad publicity. Just ask the Muslims. I mean, they’ve probably done more than anyone else in terms of media outreach in recent times, but they still struggle with the meta-narrative of Islam as a terror religion and the idea that “good” Muslims don’t do enough to denounce terrorism.

  • Franklin_Evans

    The CNN article now includes a link to this very thread. I didn’t read the original before the update, so I have no objective comparison to offer, but it looked much better than some here have described.

    • Hecate_Demetersdatter

      Very glad to see them linking to the Wild Hunt!

    • Bianca Bradley

      I went to take a look, I did not see the link.

      • Franklin_Evans

        About two-thirds down is this paragraph:

        “Several mainstream neo-pagan and self-described heathen groups have strongly denounced Sunday’s killings and are raising money for the victims.” The link here is under the text “strongly denounced”.

        • Bianca Bradley

          Thanks. I was looking for the hyperlinks on it, but apparently missed that one. I just wish it wasn’t buried 2/3’rd down, and put in the paragraph where they say he’s an Odinist.

  • LadySkyfire

    I spent an evening with a group of white supremacist Odinists at a concert once. (they apparently did not realize that I am half white, as well as part Mexican and part Middle Eastern, so jokes on them, lol). I was drinking with them for some time before it became apparent that they all shared this philosophy, so, never having encountered such a situation before, I just kept quiet and listened as they began taking turns making derogatory comments about African Americans, Arabs and Mexicans and while the others all agreed with them. Their philosophy was disgusting to me, but truthfully I found them more pathetic than detestable. Observing this particular group, I discovered that their hate was rooted less in a true belief in superiority, and rather in a kind of xenophobic inferiority complex. Watching them then, I actually almost felt sorry for them. The really were contemptible.

    We were out behind the venue in an urban area, and as they were going inside, one of them yelled the ‘n-word’ at the top of his lungs, and the rest were like ‘oh s***!’ and they all ran inside, laughing and congratulating each other on how clever they apparently thought that was. I let them go without following, finished my drink alone and avoided them when I went back in side.

    Amusingly, as they were leaving, one came up and shook my hand and said it had been a good time. I just smiled and said goodbye, but I was thinking ‘do you realize you’re shaking hands with someone you think you hate?’ I almost wish I’d said it out loud. I have rarely seen such childish, fear driven, self-indulgent pathetic behavior, before or since. Looking back, I’m just glad those guys were merely pathetic, and not homicidal.

    • Baruch Dreamstalker

      a kind of xenophobic inferiority complex Which has been carefully cultivated in under-class whites for going on 400 years, starting with differential petty privileges distinguishing indentured Englishmen from kidnapped Africans whose economic statuses were identical, specifically to groom mutual rivalry, in colonial Virginia. It worked. It’s still working.

    • http://aheathenspath.wordpress.com Lucius Helsen

      This is why I have pretty much stopped hating the “racists” of my faith. In a lot of ways, I pity them. They have been made tools. Better we should help them, teach them that their hate is unfounded, and bring them forth to be helpful to the Heathen communities, rather than condemn and harass and hate them. We have grown intolerant as a society, too easily do we hate those with different ideas and isolate them with anger, rather than try to be tolerant, understanding, and share our wisdom.

      Some day, your silence and kindness may help redeem some of those with whom you drank that day.

  • Chris

    What the “editor” of this CNN article fails to report is that the dominant religion of mostly every hate group in America is Christianity, a fact that people like this “editor” ignore because it’s embarrassing to them. Yet, I don’t somehow try to attribute that to the religion itself or to all Christians. This kind of religious profiling is dangerous. Why doesn’t CNN do an interview with leaders of the Norse community instead of making fools of themselves with generalizing posts? The fact of the matter is that there’s no Pagan religion that would say that what he did was ok.

    • xJane

      It’s less that “it’s embarrassing to them” and more that “Christianity is the norm”. So, if someone does something and that person is Christian, it’s not notable. If that same person, however, is Muslim/atheist/Heathen, that’s a story!

      • Bianca Bradley

        Sigh, because yellow journalism still infects our media. If it bleeds it leads. smh

  • Zarah Braun

    This is crap I am a neopagan and i am not racist! In fact we believe in living a peaceful life. But you can make anything hateful if you are a hateful person. please don’t judge Pagans or Odinist by this guy as Christians don’t want to be judged by westboro. crazy has no religion! Thank you in advance!

    • Wolfywolfbangbang

      Please only speak for yourself. Folks like Alfalfa Killpuppy down there want us to be warriors who kill our enemies with the power of jpegs and netrage!

  • Ælfwynne Widukind Á Læte

    Hey, I started a petition to show the world that most of us pagans and heathens do not support this kind of hate. Please sign and share, we have to band together. https://www.change.org/petitions/news-outlets-and-the-public-frazier-glenn-cross-does-not-represent-most-heathens-and-pagans

  • Money Tree

    CNN discontinued comments on that article. No chance to defend the faith and keep it disconnected with this wacko.

    • Elizabeth Berry

      They will do that. I was banned from a few places for speaking out. They would remove our comments and only leave the negative, anti-Pagan comments.

  • Sarah Geimer

    I was saddened to hear of this horrible hate crime in my community. I drive past the JCC and Village Shalom all the time and it is a lovely and peaceful area.

    I am friends with Asatruar and heathens here in Kansas City and this is not representative of the heathen community nor the pagan community here.

  • Joseph

    Steven McNallen, head of the Asatru Folk Assembly, has also condemned this guy and his actions: http://asatruupdate.blogspot.com/2014/04/statement-on-kansas-city-area-murders.html

    • kenofken

      Yeah, that’s sure to help the cause.

      • Dscarron

        *ahem* Be nice when folks are being nice…

        • kenofken

          What does nice have to do with anything? I’m talking about a reality check of the situation. McNallen’s condemnation may be heartfelt or may be just be a way to burnish/distance his group’s own image from the violence. It’s sort of beside the point. We have all this outrage about “how dare the media draw any links ever between racism and Odinism! It’s an anti-Pagan smear campaign! I mean where would they ever get such an idea about us and anyway the killer was probably Christian. There’s no racism in real Heathenism/Asatru, never was and never will be and anyone who says otherwise is a bigot.”

          It’s a tirade of indignation from enough good people that the general public, media and SPLC might just get that twinge of reconsideration and sympathy. What fills that golden moment of silence? A perfect Onion headline in the making: “Racialist Heathens Condemn Hate Killing.”

  • ChristopherBlackwell

    I am glad to see how the Heathen Grups are handling this. They are hitting all the points that need to be brought out. This scum does not seem to know what he is as he has had so many difference postions in a short time. He seems to mix and match anthing that justfies in his opinion his violent hatred. The Heathens are not sitting back, they are expressing what they believe the fact the reporter chose not to contact a single Heathen while bringing up th alleged religion.They are expressing outrage and support of the victims. Now watch the media see which give fair report or correct their reports and these are the media to use to send out postive stories of what Heathens are doing, such as in our Militarty first responders, and all the othe good things that Heathens are doing. We are going to need to hear more from Heathens can can be public, these will be much healthier examples of what Heathens are. This country has to be made to be open to Heathens, and Pagan groups. The Heathens are the only ones that cares enough to do it for the Heathen community and knows what the Heathen community as a whole is all about. Now the rest of us can also talk about the kind of Heathens that we know about to counter this BS of this guy.

  • Vic Horsham

    I know it’s in the article, but it’s buried in a lot of text so I hope you wont mind me highlighting it here.

    A benefit is being arranged by heathens to go to the victims of the shootings and their loved ones. I’m not one of the organisers or anything, but just wanted to highlight it here.

    http://www.youcaring.com/help-a-neighbor/benefit-for-victims-of-the-kansas-city-shootings/165331

  • Alfar Kynwulf

    Frazier Glenn Miller, that is his name no matter how many times he changes it, is not now, nor was he ever an Odinist. He was a devote Klan Christian, and a poor one at that. I grow weary of heathens who look to apologize for him rather than attack the false media reports. I cannot see other religions groups allowing themselves to be slandered the way we do. Could you imagine if the man was Christian but portrayed as a radical Muslim… do you not think all Muslims would be all over the media to correct this error, same if he was claimed to be Jewish or Hindu? But we, of a warrior tradition, will sit back and tolerate it?? We make contributions to the victims funds to “apologize” for him… adding to the flavor that he was one of us and we are sorry?? I do not understand the mindset here. Attack the media for the false reports, demand a retraction. I forced the Southern Poverty Law Center to retract their comments that I was a white gang member when I had success with the United States Supreme Court on the RLUIPA case in 2005. They did an online retraction that remains to this day, clearly stating it was not their intent to portray me as a gang member. I know of no other similar retractions by SPLC because others allow them to get away with this crap. When are our folk going to start standing up for themselves against these damn abuses????

    • Calmdownspazzy

      I’ve never understood getting angry at charity or posing as a violent warrior to impress people.

  • Bianca Bradley

    Crap. double crap and triple crap.

  • Dscarron

    Just as an aside, I did note that NPR focused on the KKK angle and just noted that he was affiliated with various religious movements and left it at that.