Unleash the Hounds! (Link Roundup)

Jason Pitzl-Waters —  July 24, 2013 — 41 Comments

There are lots of articles and essays of interest to modern Pagans out there, sometimes more than I can write about in-depth in any given week. So The Wild Hunt must unleash the hounds in order to round them all up.

Dr. Patrick F. Fagan wants you to know about the current "pagan" sexy times going on.

Dr. Patrick F. Fagan wants you to know about the current “pagan” sexy times going on.

That’s it for now! Feel free to discuss any of these links in the comments, some of these I may expand into longer posts as needed.

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  • NoBodE

    I’ll take Pagan sexuality over xian sexuality any day. Xianity has such a “spectacular” track record of rape, incest, child molestation, etc. Maybe he should remove the log from his eye before worrying about the mote in other eyes.

    • Charles Cosimano

      And those are bad things?

      • Lēoht Sceadusawol

        I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that rape is a bad thing.

        Pretty much the only crime I can’t find a valid reason for.

        • Ursyl

          I’d add child molestation to that list too.
          No reason for it, is essentially a level of rape.

          • Lēoht Sceadusawol

            I see that as a specialised form of rape and thus covered by the term.

  • Lēoht Sceadusawol

    From the Buzzfeed article:

    “There’s a pagan sexuality which is a pan-sexuality which is the erotic.
    Abortion, homosexuality, infidelity, pornography, euthanasia,
    infanticide all of those things were just the common sexual practice of
    pagan Rome…”

    I don’t mean to be picky, but since when were euthanasia and infanticide sexual practices, common or otherwise?

    In more general terms, we are in the age of Pagan sexuality. We don’t stigmatise sex as this big, bad thing to be ashamed of, we do not decry any one gender as being inferior and we do not condemn individual sexual preference.

    Yes, we are in the age of Pagan Sexuality, and thank the gods for that!

    • http://egregores.blogspot.com Apuleius Platonicus

      So Say We All.

  • http://www.forgingthesampo.com/ Kauko

    I’m hoping that in season 2 of Vikings, the vikings raid the set of the show The Bible. Also, it needs even more subtext between Ragnarr Loðbrók and Æthelstan.

    • Lēoht Sceadusawol

      How about a bit of basic historical accuracy, whilst they are at it?

      • http://egregores.blogspot.com Apuleius Platonicus

        You mean like not portraying the Vikings as completely ignorant of the most basic facts of geography, such as the existence of the isle of Britain?

        • Nick Ritter

          That is the main reason that I gave up watching the show.

          • http://egregores.blogspot.com Apuleius Platonicus

            I think it really is a fatal flaw, especially because the show makes this ignorance a central part of the plot.

          • Nick Ritter

            The other main reason was the portrayal of the priest as something like the Mouth of Sauron from the movie version of “The Return of the King”.

          • http://www.forgingthesampo.com/ Kauko

            Well, someone had to tell the vikings that Sauron had Frodo and the ring and that Ragnarök was coming.

        • Lēoht Sceadusawol

          Blame their bad geography on the fact that their steering oars are all on the wrong side of their ships.

          • Nick Ritter

            This made me chuckle.

      • http://www.forgingthesampo.com/ Kauko

        I can’t completely hate the show, though, if for no other reason than the fact that one of Ragnarr’s viking companions on the show is named Kauko.

        • Lēoht Sceadusawol

          That’s fair. Personally, I heard it was going to be historical and got excited.

          Then I started hearing all the faults.

          They may as well have just put horns on their helmets.

    • http://www.bryonmorrigan.com/ Bryon Bragason von Ringer

      The only reason to watch that show is Floki. And if he dies, as they are certainly suggesting in the trailer, then that reason will be gone.

  • Arthur Krieger

    “Satanists troll Fred Phelps of Westboro Baptist Church infamy, say they did a mass to turn his dead mother gay. I can neither confirm nor deny the efficacy of their work.”

    As far as I can see all they managed to do so far was attract the attention of the local flatfoots.

    http://www.wtok.com/news/headlines/MPD-Expects-to-File-Charges-in-Cemetery-Trespassing–216302111.html

  • Joseph Thiebes

    You don’t think that pornography, abortion, gay marriage, and infidelity are signs of pagan sexuality? That’s odd. Do you know of a major world religion which endorses any of these sexual and reproductive options? If not, then they are pagan activities by definition, n’est pas? Or are you reacting to a conflation of the mainstream definition of “pagan” — which simply means beliefs other than the mainstream world religions — and the specific tradition of Paganism?

    • Baruch Dreamstalker

      Fallacy of the Excluded Middle. Unitarian Universalism is, by the numbers, not a major world religion, but neither is it simply Pagan, and it supports abortion rights and same-sex marriage, and opposes the censoriousness that usually cofactors with dourness about pornography. It tilts toward fidelity but understands that marriages can come unglued.
      Also, the basic point is that there is currently an uptick in the use of the word “pagan” as an overt slur by conservative Christian religious figures, of which Dr Fagan is an example. Jason is keeping us up-to-date on incidents. This is a good thing because the Pagan community needs to be aware of how it is being portrayed by its enemies in their propaganda. And, as in this instance, it is sometimes unintentionally hilarious.
      I don’t recall you positing before. If you’re new, welcome!

      • Joseph Thiebes

        Again, the person quoted used the word “pagan” as it is typically defined in dictionaries, while the top post and all the comments appear to be interpreting it as if he were talking about capital-P Pagan*ism*. That’s either dishonest or confused.

        • Hecate_Demetersdatter

          I disagree. I think the Christians doing this know exactly what they’re doing and they’re hoping to elide the different meanings.

          • Joseph Thiebes

            Paranoia and persecution complex much?

        • Aine

          “As it is typically defined in dictionaries…”

          I’m pretty sure that the modern Pagan movement has been around long enough that actual living breathing people get the same consideration as pretty ink on paper. It also is defined as ‘a member of polytheistic religion’ in dictionaries.

          ~Gold star, you tried.

          • Joseph Thiebes

            “actual living breathing people get the same consideration as pretty ink on paper”

            You are kidding right? This was a fundie Christian talking. You honestly think he is respectful of your favored definition? Surely he was using the word the way HE learned it, which is that pretty much everything outside of Abrahamic religion, including secularism, is pagan.

          • Lēoht Sceadusawol

            Whilst I agree with the sentiment, I think that Paganism is not mainstream enough for the ‘average person’ to know about it, especially when so many try to keep it as a bunch of ‘mystery’ traditions.

            I have had more (IRL) conversations with people who equate ‘Pagan’ with ‘Devil Worship’ than with actual Paganism.

            There just is not enough interaction with the wider community.

    • Deborah Bender

      Is Judaism a major world religion?

      Torah-observant Judaism requires abortion, including very late term abortion, when the woman’s life is endangered. Traditional Judaism forbids married women from having sexual partners other than their husbands, but does not forbid men, married or not, from having affairs with unmarried women. Permission is not endorsement, of course.

      Of the mainstream world religions, Christianity is by far the most restrictive in its rules about permissible sexual activity for both men and women. Most branches of Christianity regard the sexual instinct itself as negative. Catholic doctrine recognizes no legitimate purpose for sexual intercourse other than the begetting of children.

      The sex drive is a powerful force which generates strong emotions and is potentially socially disruptive, as well as being mightily distracting. Every religion regulates sexual conduct in some ways. Since Christianity is at the extreme anti-sex end of the spectrum of possible sexual rules and mores, it is not surprising that other religions permit or encourage various kinds of sexual activity that Christianity forbids. That would include the various pagan religions ancient and modern.

      • Joseph Thiebes

        Thanks fir the info about Judaism! Didn’t know that. I wonder if the person quoted was aware of this. And no I don’t think Judaism is typically considered a pagan religion. The rest of your comment appears to be in agreement with me, that there is nothing surprising about the fact that pagan religions are more permissive than Christianity especially, and really all the world’s major religions.

        • Deborah Bender

          I haven’t read the original passage from which the quote was taken for this blog. I would guess the person either doesn’t know or doesn’t care.

          Most theologically conservative Protestants (such as the Family Research Council gang) are supercessionists, which is to say that they believe that when the Jews rejected Jesus as their savior, they lost any claim to have a correct understanding of their own Bible. Supercessionists are completely indifferent to Jewish understanding of any Biblical passage unless it happens to coincide with the Christian interpretation. The majority of ordinary Christians, even if they aren’t consciously supercessionist, assume that Judaism is a fossilized religion, that Jewish religious thought came to a dead halt in Jesus’ time, and they take it for granted that Christian teachings about sexual morality and all ethical questions are either identical to Jewish teachings or are vastly superior to them.

          When you are a member of a culturally hegemonic group of any kind, it takes an extra effort to identify the cultural assumptions that you were brought up taking for granted, and to inform yourself about ways of understanding the world that are different from the dominant ones. Except when they are totally isolated, minority groups usually know a whole lot more about what the majority thinks than the majority knows about what the minority people think.

          • Joseph Thiebes

            In that case, he probably does consider Judaism to be pagan. In which case, his definition was even further from the way everyone here seems to be taking it.

          • Deborah Bender

            Some Christians consider Judaism to be a false religion, an inferior religion, or a bad religion, but unless they are totally clueless, they don’t think it’s a pagan religion.

            After all, their savior was a Jew. Protestants (more than Catholics or Orthodox Christians) give a good deal of authority to parts of what they call the Old Testament, and Jews call the Bible or the Tanach. Evangelicals in particular rely on a selective reading of passages from the Hebrew prophets to bolster their claims that Jesus was the Messiah.

            Some of the more conservative Protestant denominations used to regard Roman Catholicism as a pagan religion, because of the statues and incense and mysteries and putting the Pope’s authority above the Biblical texts. However, in recent years, the Protestant social conservatives have formed a united front with the Catholic social conservatives over abortion and other issues of sexual morality.

      • Hecate_Demetersdatter

        Hinduism is full of sacred art that most Christians would consider pornographic. Not every religion has the same odd notions about sex as Christianity.

        • Joseph Thiebes

          I didn’t say that every religion has the same odd notions of sexuality. Do you speak for Christians on the matter of their collective opinion of Hindu sacred tantric art?

        • Deborah Bender

          True that.

          One should not draw the conclusion that Hinduism advocates free love. The Hindu religion (to the extent one can generalize about it) has strict sexual mores; they are just different from the Christian ones.

    • Charles Cosimano

      If the major religions don’t endorse them, the major religions are wrong.

      • Joseph Thiebes

        Obviously, but that is beside the point

  • Vision_From_Afar

    Re: Satanists and WBC

    I don’t know if I’m entirely comfortable with what they did. Viewed through an ancestral lens, it’s quite rude and uncalled for.

  • Rachel Yvonne Bonaccorso Linds

    You know, I’ve decided not to be bothered by the Paganism-as-slur phenomenon. This happened in the 19th century too; right before the word became Paganism-as-euphamism-for-sensuality, which eventually turned into Paganism-as-poetic-metaphor-for-high-minded-ideals and then Paganism-as-real-Paganism for many people. Perhaps this is a sign that another such period is about to begin.

    • kenneth

      First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you. Then you win!