Unleash the Hounds! (Link Roundup)

Jason Pitzl-Waters —  May 4, 2013 — 31 Comments

There are lots of articles and essays of interest to modern Pagans out there, sometimes more than I can write about in-depth in any given week. So The Wild Hunt must unleash the hounds in order to round them all up.

Mass grave for the dead Lakota after the massacre at Wounded Knee Creek.

Mass grave for the dead Lakota after the massacre at Wounded Knee Creek.

  • The historic site of Wounded Knee is now for sale on the open market. The current owner, James Czywczynski, makes some rather insulting claims about why he’s selling it. Quote: “For some reason, they cannot see economic development and they cannot see tourism and they cannot relate. They want everything for free is what it amounts to I guess.” The Oglala Sioux see the price as artificially inflated, trading on the massacre when the land itself is valued in the thousands, not millions. Quote: “We see that greed around here all the time with non-Indians. To me, you can’t put a price on the lives that were taken there.” What happens next is uncertain. There are claims that some buyers are interested in buying the land and giving it back to the tribe, but it’s just as possible someone will buy it in order to make money off someone else’s tragedy. 
  • The Southern Poverty Law Center shares the experiences of a lone Jew in a highly racially segregated prison. Quote: “It is an inviolate rule that different races may not break bread together under any circumstances. Violating this rule leads to harsh consequences. If you eat at the same table as another race, you’ll get beaten down. If you eat from the same tray as another race, you’ll be put in the hospital. And if you eat from the same food item as another race, that is, after another race has already taken a bite of it, you can get killed. This is one area where even the heads don’t have any play.” I think it’s important to share this after my story yesterday about Even Ebel. This is the toxic atmosphere in which Paganism behind bars is being practiced. 
  •  Jack Jenkins, a Senior Writer and Researcher with the Faith and Progressive Policy Initiative, writes about how mainstream journalism still doesn’t do religion coverage very well. Quote: “Yet religion seems to be having an increasingly hard time getting a fair shake from another major player in American life: the media. The breadth and quality of religion reporting in the United States has atrophied in recent years, with once-robust religion sections now all but erased from the pages of the nation’s leading newspapers. Meanwhile, religion reporters have either been laid off or forced to re-shift their professional focus to covering religion ‘on the side.'” The truth is that it’s even worse if you’re a member of a religious minority. We just hope the new episode of “Wife Swap” treats us gently, and we scarcely dream of the coverage larger faiths get. 
  • Just thought you should know that being for gun control laws is very, very, Pagan. Quote: “Frankly, it almost would seem that animism won’t go away. The left, which is largely made up of people who don’t believe in Jesus Christ’s blood as being necessary for our salvation, view inanimate objects as possessing their own will. That’s animism, that’s a return to the most pagan of paganism and look at what nutty political views it ends up supporting.” That’s Larry Pratt, thexecutive director of Gun Owners of America, an organization that believes the NRA is too soft on protecting the 2nd Amendment. Here’s one Heathen’s response to Pratt’s animist ramblings. 
  • In response to a number of recent articles, Evangelical Christians Paul Louis Metzger and John W. Morehead confront the issue of predatory proselytism. Quote: “Moreover, friendship is sometimes abused, when it is reduced to the end of evangelism. In one instance where an Evangelical has been involved in a high-profile relationship and dialogue with a Mormon scholar, many Evangelicals have called for an end to the relationship after a period of time because the Mormon has not converted. Aren’t relationships valuable in and of themselves without being used merely as a tool to convert others? For all our emphasis on personal relationships, one might be left to wonder how relational the Evangelical movement as a whole is.” For more on my personal interactions with Paul Louis Metzger, click here.
Kryja Withers reading to Peter Dybing at her home.

Kryja Withers reading to Peter Dybing at her home.

 

That’s it for now! Feel free to discuss any of these links in the comments, some of these I may expand into longer posts as needed.

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  • Dave Burwasser

    This is Baruch Dreamstalker. Disqus is makning me post under my legal name.
    It’s all very well to assure us that “commanders” will adjudicate cases of religious harassment in the military. But what if the commander is the harasser? I’ve seen an evangelical Army officer on the PBS News justify using his position to force subordinates into unsought religious discussions.
    It’s recently been suggested that the reporting of rape in the military be done apart from the chain of command, for similar reasons. Maybe that’s a good idea for religious harassment, too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Selina-Rifkin/100000182889846 Selina Rifkin

    The episode of “Wife Swap” was fantastic. The Firehearts represented Paganism with humor, creativity, grace, and kindness.

  • http://egregores.blogspot.com Apuleius Platonicus

    The article by Metzger and Morehead addressing the issue of “predatory proselytism” is a joke. For one thing, it only addresses two relatively trivial examples of the predatory nature of the Christian “Mission”. More importantly though, it presents the problem of predatory proselytism as if it were just a question of poor manners (a “lack of relational sympathy”), rather than what it really is: attempted (and all too often successful) cultural genocide. The problem here is that Metzger and Morehead share the same ultimate goal as their more openly aggressive fellow missionaries: the eradication of all religions other than Christianity.

    • http://www.facebook.com/john.w.morehead John W. Morehead

      Unfortunately, I wasn’t surprised by your response. No amount of dialogue or articulation of ideas in good will seems to be able to help you overcome your assumptions and biases concerning us. Metzger and I do advocate an important part of Christian discipleship, the sharing of the way of Jesus, but we believe in doing so ethically, in not doing so if it is not welcomed, and we most certainly do not support the eradication of religions other than our own. I hope one day that you can at least stop your misrepresentation of us, even if you will never be able to find anything positive in us and what we do.

      • GearoidMacConfhiaclaigh

        Is there any ethical way to call for the destruction of all other practices? Because if it is important share the way of Jesus, clearly the goal is people follow it yes? That is backed up Biblically I’m sure, though I won’t pretend I can quote scripture at you.

        You separate the goal from the intent. Some of us cannot. You may have the best intentions, but the goal, which is pushed by far more than just you, is the end of us as a distinct entity. We have historical examples to support this.

        Don’t take that aggrieved tone. You are a guest in our space, and the full weight of your dominance and privilege may be hidden to you, but shines like the sun at midday to many of us. Playing the victim is insulting to those of us that have faced real discrimination, more than mean words on the internet, over our faith.

        • http://www.facebook.com/john.w.morehead John W. Morehead

          An ethical form of sharing one’s religious message need not entail the destruction of all other practices. I would not condone such, regardless of Old Testament texts where this is called for. I am indeed a guest in this space, and I appreciate that. But hopefully that does not mean that I cannot express frustration with those who misrepresent my views and efforts, and do not accept good faith efforts.

          • GearoidMacConfhiaclaigh

            Your message has been shared. I doubt there are many individuals anywhere within the “Western” world without a passing familiarity with Christianity and it’s doctrines. You are not sharing a message, you’re attempting to convert, which again demands the destruction of other practices. If it was about the message, then you should pat yourself on the back. Or more importantly, teach it to your own. In my experience I know more theology and Christian history than most self-identified Christians, and not all of that comes from my background in history.

            Frustration and victim complexes are quite different. It may seem unfair, but many of us, including myself, react very poorly to shows of privilege like that. I will not bore you with a list of things done to me by Christians, but I will say it ends with physical violence. Which, I would point out, were likely done in “good faith” by those hoping to “beat the devil out”. Which is not a comparison to your effort, I have no doubt you are not the type that would do such a thing, but to show you how little good faith means when you’re on the low end of the pole.

            I am still skeptical such an ethical method can be found in any way. Christians have, in my experience, been divided into two types. Those that help others because they feel they have been commanded to, irrespective of faith,race, or class, and those that seek to convert and evangelize and will leverage their resources and power to that purpose. The first is certainly an effective method of Christian charity, but with a focus on evangelizing it quickly becomes the second.

            If you have not read it I would suggest the recently deceased Chinua Achebe’s “Things Fall Apart”. It’s depiction of missionary work, tying education and aid to Christianity, and the complete destruction of the native culture, is I think a good way to understand the perspective most of us have. It’s also an excellent work in it’s own right.

            So few of us have even had time to reconstruct our own cultures distinct from the influence and assumptions of monotheism, but we already fear the loss of what little distinct identity we have.

          • http://egregores.blogspot.com Apuleius Platonicus

            “If you have not read it I would suggest the recently deceased Chinua Achebe’s “Things Fall Apart”. It’s depiction of missionary work, tying education and aid to Christianity, and the complete destruction of the native culture, is I think a good way to understand the perspective most of us have. It’s also an excellent work in it’s own right.”

            The spiritual warfare waged by Christians against African Traditional Religions is still going on. At least 10% of the population of sub-Saharan Africa primarily self-identify as traditionalists, and at least another 15% profess either Christianity or Islam but mix this with a significant amount of beliefs and practices from their ancestral traditions. Christians in Africa view all survival of their own traditions as “devil worship” pure and simple, and with massive financial support from the Western world they are working overtime to “finish the job” begun by the colonialists and slavers.

            Any serious response from Christians on the issue of the predatory nature of their “missionary” work must start with a unilateral indefinite moratorium on missionary work in Africa. Let the good Christians send all the doctors and medicine and building materials, etc, they want to. But let there be a complete end to the use of such material aid as a form of coercion to undermine the spiritual traditions of the continent that is the Mother of all humanity. Anything less can only mean “business as usual”, which for Christian missionaries in Africa means a seamless continuation of more than five centuries of relentless cultural genocide.

            The tenacious resistance of African peoples to Christianization should be an inspiration to all modern Pagans in the West. But we must do more than simply be inspired. We must stand in solidarity with those tens of millions of Africans who stubbornly cling to their old ways and the Old Gods. And that means, at the very least, having nothing whatsoever to do with Christian missionaries unless and until they call an end to their spiritual predation.

      • http://egregores.blogspot.com Apuleius Platonicus

        Actually, John I’m pretty shocked at just how weak this particular article is. You and Metzger are both smart guys and you are good writers and you are good at what you do. If you want to convince people that you are serious about addressing predatory proselytizing you’ll have to do much better.

        For example, you conveniently focus on the, admittedly highly objectionable, practice of missionaries combing through the obits looking for fresh meat. But as you point out, this disgusing vulture like behavior can be relatively easily ignored. But what about far more heinous, and potentially much more effective, activities, like missionaries offering to provide medical care to people with terminal diseases, provided that they convert? Those kinds of “offers to help” are a bit more difficult to ignore, and a lot more difficult to sweep under the rug.

        • Northern_Light_27

          Or missionary organizations giving food and shelter to the homeless if and only if they listen to a sermon and accept being proselytized to first.

        • http://www.facebook.com/john.w.morehead John W. Morehead

          This is the first of several installments. Quid pro quo examples of unethical evangelism will be covered in the future. Keep in mind that this is written primarily for an Evangelical audience where the subject must be gradually introduced, with full awareness of others as a secondary audience. I would urge patience along with renewed efforts at faithful representation of my views and actions, as well as openness to my good faith efforts.

          • Franklin Evans

            John, there is an overriding concept here, one with which you may have some experience but may not yet have considered its importance: The Christian hegemony in the US (limiting my point) is in decline, and the only way for them left to retain it is to directly violate the First Amendment.
            This is happening in our military, as described by Bryon above. This continues to happen in ubiquitous if subtle ways throughout our society. Indeed, one can point to the rare high-profile examples and claim that it isn’t so bad, but that would be missing the point.
            The moment an evangelical crosses a very well-defined line out of his or her community of worship — and we can argue this I’m sure, but missionaries are the prime example of that — it is a distinctly un-American act. We can tolerate it, but we cannot condone it. It remains a serious obstacle towards your earning our trust, and that it also remains a serious conflict of Christian faith makes any resolution a very pessimistic bet.
            Evangelicals are being challenged to reconcile this aspect of their faith with the rest of the society. I respect your plea for a gradual introduction of it, but I cannot muster any sympathy for it. Modern Pagans look at how long it is still taking for descendents of slaves to become full citizens, at the plethora of laws on the books towards that end that are thwarted, superficially effective or efforts towards a different extreme. I promise you we will not be as easy to convince of a similar experience of “gradual”.

      • Lēoht Sceadusawol

        Evangelism. Proselytism. The two words are synonyms.

        Regardless of method, the aim is still the same – conversion of the ‘unbelievers’.

        That is what many find distasteful.

        • http://egregores.blogspot.com Apuleius Platonicus

          I do find proselytism, or any form of “oversharing” in the realm of religion, personally distasteful. That is one of the reasons why I am no great fan of “Pagan Coming Out Day”, for example. But I also absolutely believe in the Jeffersonian principle that all human beings have the sacred right to “be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in nowise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.”

          I draw the line when proselytism becomes entangled with coercion and deception, and also when people are specifically targeted precisely because they are in great difficulty and, therefore, easily manipulated by predatory “missionaries”.

        • kenofken

          Christians, or at least evangelicals, are by and large always going to have that drive to convert, or at least make the pitch. If some of them are proposing to create a new ethic which is honest about that and strives to be civil and respect some boundaries, I’m not sure I want to discourage that….

          • Lēoht Sceadusawol

            Evangelism is a major tenet of Christianity:
            Matt. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

            I am not saying that they should stop, merely that they should be unsurprised to find those not only taking offence, but actively opposing their efforts.

      • Northern_Light_27

        Unfortunately, I wasn’t surprised by *your* response, either. Yet again you’re called on your blindness to your privilege by multiple commenters, and yet again you ignore it to focus on painting yourself as a victim of the horror of one dude being annoyed at you on the internet. It’s becoming so predictable you could set your watch by it. The points being made in the replies to this comment are important ones that it would really be nice, for once, to see an actual reply to. I’d also mention w/r/t Gearoid’s comment: “You may have the best intentions, but the goal, which is pushed by far
        more than just you, is the end of us as a distinct entity. We have
        historical examples to support this.” that there are more than just historical examples, but plenty of modern ones that very clearly show that Christian interference with non-Christian cultures and cultural genocide are very much present concerns in some parts of the world. That kind of context is vitally important in the power differential between us, the thing you keep sidestepping.

        • BryonMorrigan

          Indeed. There is no reason WHATSOEVER for evangelism/proselytism OTHER than our extinction. There are no people left in the “1st World” who don’t know about Christianity’s “Good News.” And the ones in the rest of the world who DON’T know about your genocidal faith’s beliefs…are exactly the ones whose cultures are targeted for destruction by your missionaries…as they destroyed ours so many centuries ago.

          You can “dress it up” in whatever pleasing language that you like, but evangelism and proselytism, as practiced by Christians, are essentially nothing more than the spiritual equivalence of racism. They have no place among civilized peoples. The. End.

          The only way that Christianity, or Biblical Monotheism in general, can be anything more than morally bankrupt…is to eliminate the doctrine of Exclusivism (…and essentially become Unitarian Universalists). It is this doctrine that was the reason for Christianity’s most horrible atrocities…and it will also be the reason for the faith’s downfall. It cannot withstand scrutiny, and the Church has known this since the days of Constantine.

          But really, listening to Liberal Christians try to justify this behavior is like listening to Neo-Confederates or modern Klansmen try to explain that their ideology is about “Heritage,” and not “Hate”. It’s a convenient smokescreen, but it’s still the same ideology.

          • http://egregores.blogspot.com Apuleius Platonicus

            The comparison with neo-Confederates and Klansmen is very apt, and in no way exaggerates the problem with Christian missionaries. And just as is the case with modern day racists, the crimes in question are not all in the past. The eradication of the spiritual traditions of the Americas and Africa is ongoing, and the perpetrators are not limited just to the most extreme Evangelicals, but also include “mainline” Protestants and, of course, the good old Catholic Church.

        • http://www.facebook.com/john.w.morehead John W. Morehead

          Hopefully you found my comments above a step in the right direction. Or perhaps my interview at AREN or my podcast with Mike Stygal and Jason Pitzl-Waters and Paul Metzger, or the volume I edited which brought Gus diZerega and Philip Johnson together for civil dialogue. All concerns are on the table, including colonialism and cultural genocide.

  • Deborah Bender

    Thank you for posting the link to the SPLC article.

    I was introduced to the Southern Poverty Law Center by my father, who donated to it. I think it’s a very good organization. It helps a lot of people who are poor or without political power. Much of SPLC’s activity is in the South, filing lawsuits against overtly racist policies in schools and other institutions, but it also tracks and opposes hate groups all over the US.

    A couple of years ago, the SPLC magazine did a feature on Heathenry, in which it carefully distinguished Heathen and Asatru groups that have a racial ideology from those that do not, and examined how various groups operate within prisons.

  • http://twitter.com/thelettuceman Marc

    I just read an article about the military cracking down on proselytizing, but still allowing evangelizing. The issue is, of course, where one ends and the other begins. Funny convergence of topics on my news sites, there.

  • BryonMorrigan

    I’ve often related my stories of Christian harassment in the Army. When I arrived for Basic Training in 1996, the news stories of Wiccans serving in the military had just begun to be “sensational” news in the media. Conservative voices like Bob Barr (and later, George W. Bush) were calling for Wiccans and Pagans to be thrown out of the military.

    I was a very shy kid at the time, and didn’t want to be “out” in the Army, so I told the recruiter to put “No Religious Preference” on my dog-tags. It was a good thing, because in Basic, the drill sergeants lined us up in formation, had us pull out our tags so that they were hanging out of our shirts, and then walked up and down the lines, checking our religious affiliation. The stated reason for this was, as one Drill Sergeant stated, “to make sure there aren’t any Witches, Warlocks, or Devil-Worshipers in this platoon.” When they got to me, I actually got a little “shit” for my No Religious Preference one. He asked me what it meant, and I said, “Non-Denominational.”

    (Yeah, I copped out. How would YOU have dealt with it…as a teenager…in the 1990s…standing in the face of a drill sergeant. It gives me anxiety just THINKING about it now!)

    And every Sunday, in Basic Training, we were given a choice: (1) You could go to church, sit in an air-conditioned room, and have to be force-fed Christianity; or (2) You could stay back in the barracks and scrub floors. If you don’t see a problem with this policy, then you’re probably a Fascist.

    Later, in active duty, I quietly listened to sergeants and officers describe things like, how all Witches and “Devil-Worshipers” should be taken out into the streets and executed. So who exactly, are we to report this behavior to? The same sergeants and officers making the comments? Or are we to risk being punished ourselves by going higher up in the chain of command…just HOPING that the next person up isn’t as much of a bigoted piece of shit as the one below him or her?

    You’re damned RIGHT this needs to be stopped. No proselytism. No evangelism. Just DO. YOUR. FRAKKING. JOB.

  • Laura

    So how is an animist supposed to reconcile those beliefs with support for the second amendment? Simple: I name my guns.

  • Wolfsbane

    No one needs to own high capacity semi auto firearms more than progressives and especially Pagans.

    For the last four decades progressives have shut themselves out of the military, particularly the officer corps. That’s why we have had the incidents at the Air Force Academy, the harassment of non-evangelicals there and endemic within the entire military.

    Christian Dominionists see themselves as a pressured victimized minority. One that was former the majority and that needs to re-institute their control over this formerly Christian nation, America. People who feel pressured with their back to the wall frequently choose to go out fighting. We’ve never been nearer a military led right wing coup in the is country than we are right now, even during the dark days of the 1930s.

    It’s the combination of this and the wrong president. One who swore he understood and accepted America’s gun culture and promised not to do anything against it. Now he has his broken his promise and undertaken the recent acts he said he wouldn’t do. The paranoid are now livid because of this. We have the perfect storm needed for something to happen. All it will take is an igniting event.

    So if you’re a Pagan and you think the government will protect you. Stop deluding yourself because our traditional enemy is extremely likely to end up being the government and will not be protecting your rights. It will likely doing the opposite. Think what is happening to Pagans in Russia. It’s likely to be the same here.

    Mao was correct. Power flows from the barrel of a gun. Minorities have always suffered catastrophically when ignoring that maxim and failing to protect themselves. Pagans need to learn from history and experiences of others, not become a victim from failing to do so. As George Patton sort of said, The idea is not to die for your religion but to make the other guy die for his.

    We made great strides the last half century in the restoration of the worship of our gods and goddesses, let’s not lose that by failing to remain vigilant and prepared.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Rau.Milmoe Andrew Milmoe

      Yes, we made great strides. I’m pretty sure that we didn’t do it with guns.

      Should the time come that only guns will be able to protect our rights, we will have already lost. Not our religions, not our gods & goddesses – but the civilization & culture of us all.

      • Wolfsbane

        Any craftsman will tell you, you use different tools for different tasks.

        We *have* made strides. Now we have to be willing to protect that which we have gained. The task now is protecting that which we have expended so much effort to gain. The firearm is one of the tools needed for that job.

        The pistol keeps you safe.
        The shotgun keeps you fed.
        The rifle keeps you free.

        Giving us a secure base from which to achieve more for our peoples and our gods and goddesses is imporant. There’s a reason why the ancient pantheons had war gods and goddesses. When you have something, there will always be people who will try and take it from you.

        Sun Zhu’s The Art Of War, tells us that be being strong one can create an situation were one can win and avoid having to fight. We need not have to lose anything.

        By the way, every Pagan should have Sun Zhu’s The Art Of War and the Chinese essays, The Thirty-Six Stratagems in their library and be familiar with their contents. Both are available for free on-line. Links on wikipedia.

    • kenofken

      Guns don’t have a hell of a great record of effectiveness as a hedge for minority rights. It still comes down to simple math. A minority with guns. A majority with a hell of a lot more guns (and the instruments of state power which is always exponentially larger than any tricked out rifle). Armed resistance also furnishes a wonderful justification for genocide under the rubric of “law and order.” Guns can provide a degree of security against low-level thuggery and crime, but they’ll do precious little if we allow the rule of law and a climate of tolerance to break down entirely.

      • Laura

        Yet low-level thuggery and crime is a lot more likely to happen to us than a complete breakdown of law and order. Thus a plan of some kind–it doesn’t have to involve a gun–is not a bad idea. Look at events in Florida…

        Also, you’re right about lone wolves getting beaten down no matter how well-armed. That’s why it’s important to try to get along with your neighbors, no matter their religion. “They’re weirdos, but they’re our weirdos” can be a powerful defense.

      • Wolfsbane

        Well that’s a good argument if you’re a secular humanist atheist and answerable to no one other than yourself. But you’re alleging that you’re a Pagan. That makes things different or it should.

        We as Pagans have a responsibility to not just to ourselves but to the gods and goddesses we profess to worship. What does what you’re saying say to them. I’ll tell you what. It says that they’re not worth fighting for. That they’re expendable to us when the going gets tough.

        Our forefathers a millennium or so ago utterly and completely FAILED them. They didn’t fight hard enough for their beliefs, They gave up their gods, their countries and finally their freedom.

        How many times do you think the gods will keep coming back to us if we continually fail them, Are unwilling to fight and die for them? We were given a second chance to reconnect with them.

        We know what the Christians are willing to do. Just how low they’re willing to stoop. The length of depravity they’re willing to go to. They’re proud of what they did. They revel in it. Sing songs about it.

        But they also sing and write songs about those peoples they fought and beat. In honor of this days leading item, consider this. No one wrote popular songs about the weak and compliant natives of the east coast. But they’ve sure written them about the natives of the plains and the southwest who were willing to bloody their hands fighting the interlopers who were coming to steal their lands and steal their gods from them.

        Take the civil rights movement. The US government at first told it’s leaders to keep waiting, give it another century ]. Things would get better.

        Then came Malcom X who said “If you’re not ready to die for it, put the word “freedom” out of your vocabulary.” and “Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery.” and “I don’t even call it violence when it’s in self defense; I call it intelligence.”

        Also Bobby Seale, Huey P. Newton and the Black Panthers who started carrying arms to protect themselves and their neighborhoods from racist thugs masquerading as law enforcement officers.

        Then the government started talking to Dr King and listening to what he had to say. Rest assured that would never have happened without the words of Malcom X and the willingness of the outnumbered Panthers to defend themselves. It would have continued be what it always was. “Just keep waiting, it’ll get better in a few decades. Now go and sit in the back of the bus like a good boy.’

        One can die like a sheep, hanging upside down for hours, terrified in the abattoir. Waiting for someone to come and cut your throat. Or one can die quickly like a wolf with your teeth in your foes throat. We still fear the wolf. We still tell children scarey stories about the big bad wolf. We have parables about not crying wolf.We wear t-shirts with the pictures of wolves on them. There are none about sheep.

        When Christian Dominionists are sitting around deciding who they’re going to unleash a pogrom on, when they get to the Pagans we want them hiss with trepidation, grimace and go on to some other group.

        We’ll at least be able to stage a fight withdrawal to Canada. Or worst case scenario, give them a reason to remember our name, shiver and hope we don’t come back yet again.

        A coward dies a thousand deaths. A brave man only one.

        • GearoidMacConfhiaclaigh

          This is the most ridiculous, paranoid, semi-coherent rant I have ever read on any pagan site.

          Guns are irrelevant. No group of pagans, if your rant was true, could hold off any serious offensive against us. Even with guns. We’re spread out, we don’t communicate well, many are pacifists, and most importantly the offensive will come with legal and official support.

          Holding a gun up against some Christian nutjob just makes him more likely to shoot me as a “threat”.

          The wolf and sheep stuff is played out, and this isn’t InfoWars. You’re not a wolf just cause you think you figured it out.

          Gods below man you read like you crawled right out of some sort of secret society meeting. But don’t insult others because we don’t share you love of a particular kind of tool.

          There is little to separate a warrior from a fool, but judgement.