When “Jesus Ween” Just Isn’t Enough

Jason Pitzl-Waters —  October 11, 2011 — 117 Comments

We all had a good laugh about “Jesus Ween,” didn’t we? That misguided attempt to sanctify a day that had already been sanctified by the Catholic church way back in 609 CE, rightly mocked by Christians and Pagans alike. But the impulse to cleanse Halloween of its (perceived) Pagan/occult atmosphere has a darker side. If the “Ween-ers” are the Ned Flanders of anti-Halloween sentiments, then the followers of “spiritual warrior”/survivalist/conspiracy theorist Thomas R. Horn are a Jack T. Chick comic come to life. Just in time for Halloween they are plugging a new book entitled “God’s Ghostbusters” (buy it before the world ends!) that ramps up the fear of Pagans.

“According to a group of Christian scholars, this comes as the world is experiencing an explosion of ancient occultism combined with wicked fascination for ghosts and all things paranormal. In the United States alone, there are now more than two hundred thousand registered witches, the group claims, and as many as 8 million unregistered practitioners of “the craft.” On college and high school campuses, vampires, werewolves, and other “creatures of the night” are esteemed as objects of desire and idolized by young men and women who view them as cult icons of envious mystical power. Evidently, church goers are enchanted by the darkness as well. An April 13, 2011 article “Mysticism Infecting Nazarene Beliefs” was preceded only a few days before by a Telegraph article describing how a “surge in Satanism” inside the church has sparked a “rise in demand for exorcists” within traditional religious settings.”

This is serious business!

This is serious business!

Eight million! Jeepers! I also want to know how one becomes a “registered” Witch. Do I have to join COG for that? Circle? We again get references to that shadowy organization known only as a “group of Christian scholars”. Why won’t these brave men and women show themselves (and their statistical data)? Conservative Christians (and some Pagans) have long over-estimated the size of the modern Pagan movement for various reasons, but this is the first time I’ve seen an estimate that large. I suppose extrapolating data from ARIS or the Pew Forum (or any other reputable source) won’t sell as many books (or survivalist equipment). They also have an odd obsession with Hekate (which, I suppose is an improvement over “Samhain Lord of the Dead”).

“Whereas Hecate was elsewhere known as Hecate-Propylaia, “the one before the gate,” a role in which she guarded the entrances of homes and temples from nefarious outside evils (talk about Satan casting out Satan!); and whereas she was also known as Hecate-Propolos, “the one who leads,” as in the underworld guide of Persephone and of those who inhabit graveyards; and finally whereas she was known as Hecate-Phosphoros, “the light bearer,” her most sacred title and one that recalls another powerful underworld spirit, Satan, whose original name was Lucifer (“the light bearer”); it was nevertheless her role as the feminist earth-goddess-spirit Hecate-Chthonia that popularized her divinity and commanded reverence from among the common people. [...] The connection between ancient paganism and the modern customs and costumes of Halloween is easy to trace. The Hecatian myths adopted by Celtic occultists continue in pop culture, symbolism, and tradition…”

They hate/fear/are secretly aroused by Pagan deities so much they’re willing to give away Horn’s book on the subject [PDF]. In it, you can learn of the many ways Pagan gods still walk the earth and how modern Paganism is a sign of Armageddon (for which you’ll need to stock up on survivalist kits).

As I said before, these people are the dark reflection of the Jesus Ween-ers. Who take the idea of occult infiltration of America to its tinfoil-helmet-wearing conclusions. They want to get as many people in their Ark/underground Christian bunker as possible before our prophesied take-over happens. It’s easy (and fun) to mock this stuff, but a significant number of ordinary, decent, people are susceptible to narratives like these. It’s why I’m so critical of books about Pagans written for Christians, because they all feed a narrative that is ultimately damaging to interfaith relations and their own children. I’m more than happy to let Horn and his followers dig trenches and scare each other with spooky stories of Hekate’s minions, but I’m more concerned by the innocent Goth/Pagan/GLBT/different kids who might be damaged when their propaganda gets passed around at a local church or Christian book store. That’s when it crosses the line into being dangerous and damaging to our society.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/KveldulfThorsFreyrssonStormcloudWormwood Gary P Golden Jr

    If King Diamond does “Jesusween” I am so downloading it off of iTunes

  • Hecatedemetersdatter

    Drat, I forgot to renew my registration this year. Now I’ll have to take that Witch test all over again. And I always have trouble with the parallel broom park.

    • Greenflame

      Yeah, and they always charge so many newt’s eyes to renew our lapsed registration.

    • Nicole Youngman

      I’ve actually been running around unregistered all this time…I heard the Basic Quidditch skills section of the test is really a bitch and I keep meaning to brush up so I’d have a chance of passing, but…

  • Anonymous

    @Hecatedemetersdatter:

    Darn you to heck. I needed a spew warning on that post. My poor monitor!

  • http://forestdoor.wordpress.com/ Dver

    Wow, they know more about Hekate in ancient times than many pagans I know. But funny how they can manage to turn aspects such as “light bearer” and “evil averter” into something bad.

    • http://www.facebook.com/KveldulfThorsFreyrssonStormcloudWormwood Gary P Golden Jr

      because the averting evil and bearing light isn’t jesus…ween

    • http://www.facebook.com/KveldulfThorsFreyrssonStormcloudWormwood Gary P Golden Jr

      because the averting evil and bearing light isn’t jesus…ween.

      • Moggie_cat

        Every time I hear “ween” all I can think of is “Push the little daisies and make them come up.”

        • Boris

          In Dutch, Jesus Ween meens something like: Jesus, cry! or Jesus, weep! Indeed, he would be very sad if he knew what his followers are doing

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1226891346 Cara Schulz

      I know. I was impressed.

    • Clint

      Jesus is referred to as Lucifer in the Latin text of the Exultet, the stunning and gorgeous text sung to the new Pascal Candle at the Great Vigil of Easter. Not kidding, look it up and look near the end. Oh, and Boomer Sooner, Gary!

  • http://www.thehighwayhermit.com James Bulls

    I don’t know how effective this author’s work (and the work of others like him) will be in bringing non-Christians to their way of thinking, but I often wonder how much of what they write has an impact on Christian communities. Does anybody know if there are any studies or surveys that show what impact books like this (or Chick tracts, etc.) have on Christian communities? I think the name they chose is amusing – I mean, how often can we say Jesus and Weeners in the same sentence? – but like Jason said I also worry that while I’m dismissing this person as unhinged, he may in fact have a larger audience than I know.

    • Danacorby

      Yes, he’s unhinged, and yes he most likely has a considerable audience. One of the things I find most alarming about the Jesusnoids is that every time one of them writes something like this, every other Jesusnoid writer, website, and talking head jumps on it, giving it as much credence as if it were biblical scripture and not just someone’s personal opinion. By now I estimate a good 75% of the ‘fundamentals’ these people believe to be the word of god is actually apocryphal nonsense like this.

      • http://dailysilver.wordpress.com argentwolfwing

        but… wasn’t it all made-up faery tales to begin with?

    • Jack Heron

      I suspect there’ll be a twofold response. Those as are the target audience (fundamentalist Protestants) will lap it up. Everyone else will look on in bafflement. So the effects will depend on the make-up of your local Christian population.

    • Anonymous

      Back in my days in the church (1970′s), it seemed to me that something like this would sweep through the fundamentalist sects every few years. In those days it was Hal Lindsay hawking Satan and the Last Days. Two particularly influential characters were Mike Warnke and John Todd, both of whom made various claims to have come to Jesus out of one form or another of “Satanism,” and wrote books about both the power and the perils of Satan in the world. Both were thoroughly exposed as frauds, but their testimony, and those of others like them formed the backbone of the Chick tracts on the occult, and their claims still make the rounds in Fundamentalist circles.

      It’s a perennial theme in Fundie Christianity. Unless something is very different this time around, it will blow itself out, because while it makes for great Fundie sleepover ghost stories, it also tends to disturb the equilibrium of the established Fundie churches. It pretends to an “inside line” on what is “really” going on in the world, and it has the paradoxical effect of drawing believers away from the established churches — which threatens revenues. The ministers tend to shut it down.

      • http://dailysilver.wordpress.com argentwolfwing

        because that’s totally how we set it all up in the first place… *bwahahahaha!!!*

  • Danacorby

    Use the link to Chick Publications and have a good laugh: “Samhain started in the British Isles with the Druids. Those guys were really spooky!”

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=685041384 Fanny Fae

      Do Christians not have any decent artists amongst them anymore? Just WHO designed that abysmal cover on “God’s Ghostbusters”? It looks like Vin Diesel meets the Mighty Oz in some cheesy mock up of Grant Wood’s “American Gothic” bleh!

      • http://www.peacockfairy.com Ruadhán J McElroy

        It actually kind of reminds me of the first edition cover of $ilver Ravenwolf’s Teen Witch — it’s not a copy, but there’s something about it that reminds me of it.

  • Pagan Puff Pieces

    But Lucifer as the light bearer wasn’t in the wrong because he bore light. That was his old, angelic and good position! If he hadn’t rebelled, he’d still be bearing light (and what happened to the light, if nobody ever bore it again)?

    I think.

    Actually, mythos about the devil is pretty iffy and mostly non-canon, or at least it points in lots of different directions, if I remember right. It’s really not healthy to dwell on the devil’s literature, considering that. Otherwise, you start to give him everything, I guess.

  • Baruch Dreamstalker

    ‘vampires, werewolves, and other “creatures of the night”’

    He was permanently warped by The Rocky Horror Picture Show.

    • Jack Heron

      Also aliens. Why aliens?

      • http://www.myspace.com/kadynastar Khryseis_Astra

        *Nods* I couldn’t get much further than the “New Agers believe the Pagan gods were aliens from outerspace” part myself. *groans* Not to say that I haven’t heard that viewpoint espoused by some New Agers, but I’d say it’s far from the majority viewpoint.

        At any rate, how do you argue with someone who apparently has no understanding of what modern-day Pagans actually believe? I’m not a “New Ager,” and I certainly don’t believe my gods were ancient aliens, let alone “demons,” nephilum or whatever else they want to call it. IMO the concept of “demons” is just a perversion of my religion’s daimons.

        And don’t even get me started on the “demonization” of my beloved Hekate!

        • http://kauko-niskala.blogspot.com Kauko

          I have to admit, I once dated a pagan who believed that all the world’s deities were aliens…. I got tired of him pretty quickly, though. :)

        • Lonespark

          Whereas Marvel Comics fans do in fact “believe” that…

        • http://twitter.com/Turtle_Dawn CDWilliams

          I blame Ancient Aliens and the History Channel for that one, though the argument is quite interesting….

      • Baruch Dreamstalker

        “Why aliens?”

        They dance provocatively. (Let’s do… the Time Warp… Again!)

        • Nicole Youngman

          I’ve always thought this country needed a good jump to the left, anyway. ;)

      • http://heathenfaith.blogspot.com Norse Alchemist

        Well, an Alien is a being not from this world. So in theory, many of the gods and spirits would be “aliens” in a technical definition. The fact that they come from a spiritual world, or another world, or world before this one doesn’t make them any less divine.

        Technically the Aesir and Vanir of Germanic/Scandinavian paths are “aliens” because they do not come from Midgard/Earth.

        But they are still god and kin to me, and rarely think of them as “aliens.” :P

        • Mia

          “Technically the Aesir and Vanir of Germanic/Scandinavian paths are “aliens” because they do not come from Midgard/Earth”

          Not all “Germanic paths” think that way, as we don’t all take the myths literally. Gods, wights, etc. are not “supernatural”, they are very much from within the Earth we see to many heathens.

          • http://heathenfaith.blogspot.com Norse Alchemist

            Fair enough, but most of the mythology does state that they are from Asgard and Vanaheim, which are stated to two of the nine worlds. So we all have our beliefs. I was merely pointing from the one perspective that the term is correct in definition, if not in scope

          • Mia

            Right, but you said Germanic as well as Scandinavian, and Germanic is a very broad scope to apply a specific detail to. There are many tribes with many cultural characteristics and influences lumped under the term “Germanic”, and many, dare I say, most, would have had nothing to do with the myths you speak of.

    • Anonymous

      Let’s do the Time Warp again!

      It’s just a jump to the left….

      Really, every time I see Tim Curry (generally as a bad guy now), I always imagine him is stockings and a leather corset and can’t take him seriously anymore. It’s ruined a number of movies for me.

    • http://www.facebook.com/KveldulfThorsFreyrssonStormcloudWormwood Gary P Golden Jr
  • Danacorby

    Alas — it’s starting to look like Jesus Ween may be a put-on — all the links on their website & FB page just go back to the top.

    • Anonymous

      This is the problem with a lot of things to day, reality is nearly indistinguishable from parody and vice verse..

      • http://www.wiccanweb.ca Makarios

        Poe’s Law: “Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of fundamentalism that someone won’t mistake for the real thing.”

  • Anonymous

    Please note that I have posted the TRUE history of Sam Hane at http://www.treehenge.org/Themon/Themons_Musings/Blog/Entries/2011/10/11_Sam_Hane.html.

    Enjoy.

    • Silver Layna

      Lol, That was totally awesome! Thanks, I needed that :)

    • Anonymous

      ROTFLMFAO… Thanks arse… I had beer coming out my nose by the time I finished the first paragraph..

    • Mike

      awesome

    • Nicole Youngman

      Wait, Themon, you left out the bit about how he chased Honey Mead around the bonfire and got the sacrifices all sticky…!!

  • http://sonneillon-v.livejournal.com/ Sonneillon

    As one of Hekate’s minions, I would just like to say that, to my knowledge, neither we nor our goddess are responsible for or encouraging the advent of Armageddon. Unless there’s a memo that I missed. They should take it up with the Aesir.

    • http://heathenfaith.blogspot.com Norse Alchemist

      Well, you know, it’s not a party till we start the Ragnarok and Roll!!!! XD

      They call it the end of the world, we call it a good night’s pub crawl.

      • Ananta Androscoggin

        I’m not a follower of Heathenry, but doesn’t the fimbulwinter come before ragnorak ?

        • Anonymous

          yep. Fimbulwinter begins when Fenrir swallows the sun, and winter covers the world for three years. Then we get Ragnarok.

          • http://twitter.com/Turtle_Dawn CDWilliams

            Should I start stocking up on thermal underwear then?

  • Charles Cosimano

    It is interesting. I have yet to encounter an anti-Scientology ministy.

    • Silver Layna

      Lol, love that! So true!

    • Anonymous

      Ummm. I thought the atheists were taking that one.

    • http://heathenfaith.blogspot.com Norse Alchemist

      Anon is

  • Lori F – MN

    Does anyone out there remember a Don Bluth annimated movie about a boy on a farm who ends up transformed into a kitten and meets up with a rooster who believes that his crowing will bring up the sun? I think it was called “Chanticleer” The reason I bring it up is because the ‘evil’ owls Want the sun to not come up and have captured all the heros and in typical animated story fashion they start to sing “We are the creatures of the night. And we invite you all for dinner. There’s plenty of food to go around when the food is you.”

    And Where did these people find all this info on Hecate?

    • http://threeshoutsonahilltop.blogspot.com/ gorm_sionnach

      The film you are referring to is “Rock-A-Doodle”.

      • Lori F – MN

        Thanks. It’s worth the music alone.

    • Anonymous

      They channeled it, of course. No, wait…..

  • Stargazer525

    That is so typical for christians to try to take our samhain sabbat and try to make it christian and they know they can’t christianize it so they try to make it their own by changing it to a stupid name like jesus ween,of course which would never happen so then what they do is they demonize us and wage war against paganism.Paganism pre-dates christianity and I think christianity is primitive.I have had many bad experiences with christians and they are nothing but religious fanatics who try to force everyone to believe everything they do,they also have this haughty attitude like they are better than everyone else,when they are not.Instead of being a bunch of Hateful Hypocritical as-Ho-les Maybe they should start paying attention to some of their jesus’s teachings about love.

    • Silver Layna

      Yup, I have to agree with pretty much every word there! I could attempt to defend at least a portion of the Christian religion, but I’m not and you already said it at the end. I’m sick and tired of mindless drones who would rather be infected with dogmatic indoctrination and have others spell out for them what to think and believe rather than actually thinking for themselves and instead of continuing to be ignorant, actually begin to learn about the things they talk down on and become introspective. Taking the time to think about their own beliefs, where they actually originated and to start to ask themselves the tough questions about what it is each of them actually does and does not believe. Instead of pigeon-holing themselves as well as everyone else.

      • http://dailysilver.wordpress.com argentwolfwing

        I saw a poster on campus for a christian group about “come find your christian roots!” My reply: like, us? We’re right here, you fools, no need to find us!

        • Silver Layna

          Haha! That’s right! I saw something similar the other day on tv…and that was my thought exactly :)

  • http://threeshoutsonahilltop.blogspot.com/ gorm_sionnach

    “The Hecatian myths adopted by Celtic occultists continue in pop culture, symbolism, and tradition…”

    Yeah, because the “Celts” certainly didn’t have any cthonic deities of their own; they had to pinch one from the Greeks.

    Is it odd that this is the bit that really annoyed me…?

    • http://erynn999.livejournal.com/ Erynn

      No. That’s the bit that annoyed me, too. ;)

    • http://www.magickal-media.com Alice C. “A.C.” Fisher Aldag

      Well, there were some triple Hecate frescoes and sculptures brought by Romans to the European continent, where she was adopted by some of the post-Celtic nations, as was Diana. Buuuuut, I’m not sure the Jesus Weeners would be aware of that…

  • Pitch313

    If you don’t like the occulture that you find around you, then make up the occulture that suits your fancy!

  • Caliban

    I suppose it wouldn’t help to point out that the legend of werewolves developed from the practice of adolescent males being taken into homoerotic mystery societies where they emulated wolves? Kind of like every bad dream these folks have ever had about the Boy Scouts and the “Gay Agenda”. :D

    • Anonymous

      Really? I thought it was just about teen-aged boys, period. I mean really — changes in shape, hair growing everywhere, the rough, growling voice, “howling at the moon….”

      • http://heathenfaith.blogspot.com Norse Alchemist

        I thought the werewolf thing was about pedophiles and rapists in the woods? Oo

        Didn’t know it was about manloving.

        • Jack Heron

          I think there are lots of different strands to lycanthropic stories. People in the woods, time of the month, uncontrollable hair growth, going beserk, driven mad by famine, closer to nature, totem animals. One big melting pot of stories and their derivations.

  • Kilmnrnock

    Isn’ t Hecate a Greek /Roman deity ? I’m a Celt ,Sinnsreachd, Hecate isn’t one of our gods.These folks are just plain bat shyte crazy, The biggest problem is there are misguilded , gullible people out there that believe this stuff. After all , it’s so called Xtian scholars that are peddling this nonsence.I’m w/ you Jason these books about Pagans by and for extremist xtians are dangerous .I do wish the xtians would police their own , the charilitons etc , so we would have to deal w/ them . These people getting it all wrong is nothing new, but, someone within their own ranks , a fellow xtian , needs to call them out on this crap. Kilm

    • Anonymous

      “I do wish the xtians would police their own , the charilitons etc , so we would have to deal w/ them .”

      Unfortunately, many of them believe that as long as “God’s word” is getting out there, they should overlook shady practices, lies, etc. My own father has said something along those lines — or so I hear from one of my siblings that he is actually speaking to.

    • Jack Heron

      The trouble with trying to police your own is th-

      - NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!

  • Anonymous

    I’d like to know about this registry though.
    Is there a separate department for cultural demonism?
    I mean, do I have to fill out the same form as the witches or is form aG-7 only for Kemetan practitioners?

    When I renew, will I be tested on the Asian pantheon too?
    That’s not fair!

    I say we protest the “devil people” form regulations!

    Malaz

    • Anonymous

      Only one thing to do. Unionize.

      • Anonymous

        A good union needs a good acronym. Choose carefully. (Pagans Heathens Eclectics Wiccans and Druids came up PHEWD–great sounder, bad PR.)

        • Anonymous

          Yeah, Pagans United doesn’t work either, does it?

          • http://heathenfaith.blogspot.com Norse Alchemist

            Yeah….maybe for you pagans, but we heathens well never unionize. we like freelancing too much. :P

          • Anonymous

            No, no…we must have something more resounding! It should be something that will ring true with them as well…perhaps….NOW! (Nonmonotheists Of the World)

            “That’s what unions do. They can get money, they can get support, they can get manpower.”
            James P. Hoffa

  • http://sarenth.wordpress.com/ Sarenth

    In order to damage interfaith relations I would think you’d need to have some ground rules first. Like, say, respect of other faiths. Fear mongering like this destroys any attempts at dialogue. How can we possibly engage in dialogue with people who actively lie about our religious beliefs and fear-monger with their coreligionists?

    I do mock these pathetic attempts at tarring Pagans, however, that doesn’t stop the impact it has on those who they are specifically targeted toward. It’s an echo-chamber effect, amplifying the fear and anxiety around the perceived evils they and the believers’ children will face. I’m not happy with them scaring each other and amping up the fear, especially when so many who swallow this fear are actively campaigning to change America’s policies regarding religion and protection under the 1st Amendment.

  • Krystal H.

    I’ve just skimmed that book/PDF you linked, and I would really like to print it out, take out my red pen, and start making corrections. It’s not Sumeria (as my Near Eastern Studies prof. would snarl at us), it’s Sumer, for starters, and don’t get me started on the rest of it. /stuffy academic tone

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=585826544 Adam Birch

    I’m trying to avoid thinking of Jesus Weener jokes…

  • Mia

    He needs a better cover artist. One that preferably knows how to use Photoshop.

    • AnonGuest

      The guy on the left’s head:body proportions look off to me

      • Mia

        Oh that’s just the demon inside his head :P

      • Judge456

        Two causes for this:
        1. Huge neck muscles to hold up the huge cross.
        2. Down Syndrom.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=685041384 Fanny Fae

    Isn’t it interesting that the fundies need to have an enemy of one type or another in order to keep selling their brand of religiosity? How can anyone subscribe to a spiritual belief where living in constant fear of one set of “others” or another? During the middle ages and the First, Second, and Third Crusades it was all about getting rid of those infidel Muslims. Then it they were after Pagans and the Hebraic faiths. Then it was rock and roll, then back to Witches again. Their churches, their stores, and their broadcasts on radio and television, etc. fairly reek with the scent of fear.

    And with all these “registered” Witches and occultists I want to find out where to sign up. With numbers like that, we could really mobilize!

    • Connie Reed

      Yep. I’d even pay dues (if I got a t-shirt out of it)

  • Neopag 12

    Free speech is fine and dandy, but we’re talking about fire in a crowded theater here. with the anti-bullying crusade going on, is anybody wondering about the age old tradition of “righteous” bullying that these kinds of things promote. You know, like the “crusades”, the “inquisition” and the “burning times”?

    • Charles Cosimano

      No, it isn’t. As long as there is time for reflection, the incitement test is not met so there is no legal recourse.

  • Thelettuceman

    I…can’t brain today. I have the dumb.

  • http://www.wiccanweb.ca Makarios

    Goodness gracious me! Looked at the website, and those folks certainly do seem to have a lot of merchandise available for sale. Lots of money to be made there.

    And the subject matter takes us into Looneyland Town Centre. For example:

    The Great Seal of the United States an emblem of “the greatest conspiracy of all time, sitting right out in the open in Washington DC and at the Vatican.”

    The Nephilim will return to earth in 2012 (Hey, those Pagan Mayans might have gotten something right).

    “Transhumanism is a transnational technocratic trend that promises to break through human biological limitations by radically redesigning humanity.”

    Sometimes I think that Barnum was right.

    • Baruch Dreamstalker

      “Hey, those Pagan Mayans might have gotten something right.”

      Now I’m confused. A program of North American helpers/witnesses in Guatamala is selling 2012 Mayan calendars at the local farmers’ market. But it goes all the way through to the end of December…

  • http://www.mychristiant.com religious clothing

    worth grabbing

  • Aynia

    It sounds like they’re preparing for a zombie apocalypse. Better get back to practicing on Left 4 Dead

  • http://www.facebook.com/paposehn Philip Posehn

    He actually said, “Registered Witches”? Where do I get my registration card so I can be a “Card-carrying Witch” and finish the Joe McCarthy reprise?

    • Fvrnite

      You think that’s funny, I had one female claim she didn’t ” approve” of my “Wiccan lifestyle”.

      I had a number of jokes in my head in response to that one but I wisely refrained from opening my mouth. Though I admit I grinned at that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/paposehn Philip Posehn

    He actually said, “Registered Witches”? Where do I get my registration card so I can be a “Card-carrying Witch” and finish the Joe McCarthy reprise?

  • http://www.facebook.com/EdAHubbard Ed Hubbard

    Hi Jason,

    I know how they got the 8 million. It has to do with a series of articles from 2005. Basically if we had doubled every eighteen months as we did in the beginning, we would be facing 8 million. I know much of where this is coming from. I can give the strange math if you ever want it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/EdAHubbard Ed Hubbard

    There is over 200,000 registered members of Witch School!

    • http://www.facebook.com/KveldulfThorsFreyrssonStormcloudWormwood Gary P Golden Jr

      and now Britney Fox’s ‘Girls School’ is playing in my head, dammit!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.w.morehead John W. Morehead

    I hadn’t heard of this book previously. Thanks for making us aware of it. It’s unfortunate that evangelicals continue to produce such volumes with alleged experts and questionable scholarship. Now they seem to have expanded their targets to include the paranormal.

    • Fvrnite

      John, they’ve been doing that since the late sixties when there was the so-called ” occult explosion”. And they’ve been lying and deceiving for centuries, no surprise there.

      Its basically about exploiting the fears of their followers by finding new avenues to provoke the fear reaction.

  • http://www.magickal-media.com Alice C. “A.C.” Fisher Aldag

    For the most part, this subject brought about laughter and eye rolls not only at the Jesus Weeners, but also at the fearfulness that seems to be the prevalent attitude of some modern Pagans toward fundies.

    Rather than trembling in our boots and hiding in our broom closets, what can we do to dispel the myths about our religions, and ensure that our rights are honored? How can we protect our kids from bullying behaviors? Strength!

    It’s coming up on Samhain / Halloween, so when we’re approached for that annual “meet the Witch” news article, take the opportunity to dispel some myths about Pagans. Emphasize commonality of belief with other Americans. Learn some facts about possible numbers and a few Pagan beliefs — emphasizing that “most, not all” Witches honor nature, believe in deities, etc. Use words that put fears to rest, such as comparing spell workings to prayer, emphasizing things like meditation or herbal healing which have become mainstream. Refer to websites of organizations that you admire. Like this blog.

    Instill positive self-worth in our children, so if they are teased or bullied, they will not take it personally. Name calling will happen, so teach youngsters that some people are rude, and their invectives don’t reflect on the children themselves. If kids don’t fit in at school, find a peer group that works, including environmental clubs, Spiral Scouts, Pagan groups that have kids’ and teens’ activities and Pagan gatherings. There are Gay organizations for teens. If there isn’t a group for your kids nearby, start one. Or join an online community or Facebook page. If bullying becomes physical, you have recourse in talking with teachers, principals, administrators, school board, or if that doesn’t work, the police and the courts. Sometimes the threat of a lawsuit is enough to get the schools to protect your children. Kids might have to be removed from a destructive environment. They may have to learn to protect themselves with a martial arts class or a can of pepper spray (I can hear the non-violent Pagans shuddering, but it works. The child may be suspended from school for a few days — but I guarantee the bully will leave them alone forever after.)

    We might enjoy solitary practice, but there is strength in numbers, so join a group or start one. You might not want to celebrate every holiday or practice every rite with a group, but it sure is handy if you need a united front against a genuine threat, such as a landlord evicting you because of religion, or a boss firing you due to religion. It’s much easier to fight City Hall and fundies with a group at your back, and if the group is legally recognized as a “church” or ecclesiastical corporation, it will have more weight with authorities. So will a religious title such as “Reverend”. In most states, starting a legal organization requires three signatures and twenty bucks. You can then ordain clergy, perform marriages, and protect members within the structure of your local or state government. As a group, work on a charitable event or community activity. Clean up a park, volunteer at a soup kitchen. Make sure the press knows what you’re doing.

    Normalize. By that, I don’t mean take out your piercings and wear a suit, or pretend to be Christian or heterosexual if you’re not. I mean join civic groups, help with local charities, get involved in local politics, volunteer at your kids’ school, have a booth at the county fair or town festival, take up a collection for a food drive, join in with a walk for breast cancer researchbe active in your community. And this sounds academic, but you’d be surprised… cut your grass, clean your house, and keep your pets and kids under control. Emphasize what you DO — have pets, garden, meet for coffee, celebrate the full moon — rather than what you don’t — eat babies, worship a devil. It’s easy for people to hate or fear what they don’t know; if your neighbors know you, then they’re more likely to respect you. Adopt the “so what” attitude. “Yeah, I worship Hecate, so what? How about those White Sox…”

    Recognize that not every Christian is awful, but they’re not all gonna be your friend, either. There are some people that will just be hostile, no matter what. We can put up with their prayers and discussions of their beliefs. Truly. We can be polite and listen. Someone saying that “Jesus loves you” does not infringe on your rights. No, really, it doesn’t. We can respectfully disagree. We can say “No thank you”, just as we would if someone offers us food we dislike. We do NOT have to put up with threats, lies, violations of our civil rights, or physical harm. Write letters to the editor. Complain. Call the police, and if they don’t respond, go all the way up the chain of command — state police, attorney general of your state, your congressional representative. Involve the local press. Talk to the ACLU or Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Show up at legislative meetings or court when policies are being implemented. Gain signatures on a petition. Read and know the laws and your rights, and be prepared to argue them.

    If you really, truly ARE afraid, and there is a darn good reason — threats of physical harm, lack of police response — protect your homestead with alarms, locks, and learn to use a gun.

    Not fear, STRENGTH.

    • Mia

      I don’t agree with all the details, but I like the underlying idea that we are a part of the community and culture of where we live regardless of what people say and want. Acknowledging and engaging in it is crucial to diminishing the outsider status many of us have in some form.

  • Deborah Bender

    I copied and saved that list of Hecate’s epithets. It’s useful.

    Halloween used to be spelled “Hallowe’en”. The apostrophe stands in for the elided “v” in “even” which is short for “evening”. “Hallow” means to make holy or consecrated and the name originally meant (All) Saints’ Eve.

    Protestants don’t observe saints’ days, but if they want to rename Halloween, the proper form would be Jesuse’en, not Jesus Ween.

  • Sunna B

    Actually, looking at the font, format, and layout, it kinda looks like they’re ripping off “Ghost Hunters”! XD

    • http://twitter.com/Turtle_Dawn CDWilliams

      I think that’s the general idea. It sells books.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=685041384 Fanny Fae

    Does anyone besides me remember Bob Larson and his show, “Talk Back”? This guy used to cash in so much on Satanic Panic. Well, apparently, this guy is still around!

    Oh, lookie! There’s a demon test and it costs money! Now what was it that Jesus said about money changers in the temple?!

    • Fvrnite

      I sure do Fanny Fae. I keep an eye out for him. He’s currently doing the ” deliverance ministry” ” real exorcist schtick where he’s basically exploiting his sixteen year old daughter and her alleged teen friends in a so-called ” reality” series about his “School” for exorcists. He calls them ” demon slayers.”

      The money and demons thing you are referring to is not about moneychangers in the temple. What Larson practices is called Simony , which is about asking ( in his case requiring) money as payment for ” spiritual” matters such as casting out alleged demons and his fave ” generational curses” scam.

      So yeah, I know a LOT about this guy. He posts in usenet as kensmithiscool, a mockery of the name of a guy who really exposed him some years ago when he has Bob Larson Ministries. His focus is on his vanity and his greed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/EdAHubbard Ed Hubbard

    So I guess I am responsible for the numbers God’s Ghostbusters are quoting. as a leading ‘expert’ I have been discussing how there are 8-10 million hidden Witches and People who have one of more Witch ideas, from book sales and other products that can be identified as Pagan lifestyle oriented. There are over 200,000 registered Witch School students, so that is where they get their numbers.

    • http://www.magickal-media.com Alice C. “A.C.” Fisher Aldag

      There might be that many worldwide, if you count every single last indigenous tradition.

  • http://dailysilver.wordpress.com argentwolfwing

    Best part? My computer actually refused to show me the rest of that video! It froze @~8:30. Got plenty of fodder, though…

    • Mia

      Smart computer.

    • http://www.peacockfairy.com Ruadhán J McElroy

      My computer’s not showing any of it — it’s possible that it’s just a temporary thing cos I’m uploading to YouTube right now, but it’s also possible that my sanity is being spared.

  • Fvrnite

    Yeah I recently criticized Fr. Jack Ashcraft in his Bare Fisted Cleric blog about his “advise to Christians concerning pagans” blog entry and did a better criticism in my LJ Foreverknightfa.

    I’m glad you are starting to focus on the Christian “war on Halloween”. I’m way behind in my own look at that subject.

    I would love some decent interfaith relations with Christians. But being a Pagan for as long as I have and seeing the awful Satanic Panic hysteria, the various books and videos they have made over the years and still are making saying their distortions, omissions of fact and outright lies, I honestly cannot trust Christians, no matter how friendly they may act towards us and to me. The Kendra Hovey disaster pretty much validated my aversion and distrust.

  • VenerableReid

    “Registered witches” ??? I think I let my registration lapse, oh wait, I didn’t register in the first place!

  • Elvenfire79

    Wait, wait…. so there are dragons now?! There is an arguement as to this exsistance of dinosaurs for which we have multitudes of physical evidence and this guy believes in dragons! ok, fine. But I still want a pet unicorn. I’m sure they exisist somwhere!