The Wild Hunt Joins Patheos

Jason Pitzl-Waters —  June 15, 2011 — 89 Comments

When thinking about The Wild Hunt, the question I always ask myself is “What’s next?” How can I build on what I’ve done so far, and expand it to new audiences? How can I make my work sustainable? How can I bring the most good to the many communities I report on and for? After months of talks, consultations, and soul-searching, I’ve decided on a new path for this site – one that I think is exciting, and that opens up new realms of possibilities for the future of Pagan media. Starting tomorrow, The Wild Hunt will be transitioning over to the religious dialog and news site, Patheos.com. This move will obviously raise many questions and concerns, so I’d like to address them now, and share my thinking on why I’ve gone in this new direction.

Why Patheos?

Patheos.com has become a premiere website for religious news, dialog, and information. Unlike many religious news outlets, Patheos’s commitment to modern Pagans has been there from the very beginning, and has only grown over time. They have collaborated on our projects, and entered into a mutual content-sharing deal with the Pagan Newswire Collective, the first mainstream media outlet to do so. Under the leadership of Star Foster the Patheos Pagan Portal has become a first-rate source for intelligent and thought-provoking Pagan content, featuring contributions from writers like Eric ScottP. Sufenas Virius LupusT. Thorn CoyleSteven T. Abell and many others. Patheos’s commitment to featuring voices from all corners of modern Paganism has been truly impressive. It was Patheos who helped get me onto the Washington Post’s On Faith panel.

In addition to their commitment to Pagan voices, Patheos has an ambitious vision for its future, one that as Pagan journalist I want to be a part of. Informing our own communities is only the first step towards building a robust Pagan media. One of the next steps is making our voices heard by mainstream news outlets. I think that being a part of Patheos at this time will help achieve that goal. One immediate benefit will be that posts on The Wild Hunt will soon appear in Google News search results, which is a small but important step towards bringing Pagan issues to a wider audience. I feel confident at this stage that being a part of Patheos will benefit our community in ways we can’t envision now.

What does this mean for me?

For the majority of Wild Hunt readers, the shift will be seamless. The new site will initially have the same design as the old site (though I may do an upgrade to something a bit more modern in the near future). Permanent redirects will ensure that links to The Wild Hunt will continue to work as they always did. Updates will continue to show up at social media sites like Facebook and Twitter. We are improving the Comments function. Finally, the site will become far more reliable and stable in regards to performance and stability.

Back in February, I was obliged to change servers, because The Wild Hunt was generating so much traffic that it was crashing other people’s sites, and threatening to create excessive downtime for readers. Generous individuals made that move possible, but many of us are still experiencing significant sluggishness and database timeouts when trying to visit the site. The Wild Hunt will soon outgrow affordable hosting options. Simply put, to keep The Wild Hunt sustainable and running on all cylinders, we need extra help.

What about remaining non-commercial? What about the donation model?

From the beginning, The Wild Hunt aspired to run as an independent: non-profit, not beholden or dependent, and as Andrew Sullivan says: “of no party or clique.” This would be hard to do while relying on, say, contributions from Pagan publishers or umbrella organizations. In my years as a journalist for our community, I have been able to report on hard stories, including stories that some of my friends would have probably preferred I ignored. The Wild Hunt has been accused of being not sufficiently on the Left or Right at various times, indicating that I personally have succeeded somewhat in separating my personal views from “the work.” I’ve tried to err on the side of a generally “pro-Pagan” stance, instead of getting caught up in partisan squabbling or single-issue myopias.

However, despite the generous individuals and organizations who have supported The Wild Hunt through the past few years, it has rapidly become clear that our trajectory wasn’t sustainable. The Wild Hunt has simply outgrown its original freebie structure. It’s time for Pagan news to hit the major leagues.

Yes, there will now be (hopefully unobtrusive) sidebar ads on the site, as there are for other Patheos pages. You can see an example of what that might look like, here. There will be no pop-ups, pop-unders, banners, or other flash-based nonsense. All you, as a reader, will do is continue to visit, read, link, comment and discuss, as you’ve always done.

Who owns The Wild Hunt?

Short answer: I, your editor, do. Long answer: The deal I’ve struck with Patheos allows them to host The Wild Hunt’s content, and grants them rights to distribute and republish it, without infringing on The Wild Hunt’s intellectual property ownership in any way. If The Wild Hunt should leave Patheos, we will retain ownership, while sharing republishing and distribution rights. If something horribly dramatic happens – which I don’t expect – The Wild Hunt is free to relocate.

Closing thoughts

This is a big step, one that I think is a good one. I hope that you, dear reader, understand and support the reasons for this move, and wil continue to be a part of the Wild Hunt community. See you tomorrow – at Patheos!

Jason Pitzl-Waters

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  • http://twitter.com/lysana @lysana

    Since you're keeping creative control over the content, I will merely congratulate you on finding a place you're happy with and a direction to take Wild Hunt that won't take it away from us. You've been a great resource and support for the wider pagan community, and it'll be great to see that continue.

  • Guest

    Out of curiosity who is the driving force behind Patheos?

    • Star Foster

      It's not affiliated with anyone one religion if that's what you mean.

      • Star Foster

        Pre-coffee Star is strangely redundant.

      • Guest

        Actually I meant the individual players. I realize they're not one religion affiliated, they're too unbiased.

        • Star Foster

          There's a link to all the staff bios on the home page.

          • Guest

            Thank you!

  • Ellen MacInnis

    I think this is a great move for the Wild Hunt and I look forward to how you grow in the future. Thanks for all your hard work for the Pagan community. :)

  • DanMiller

    Will we still be able to donate to the site (WH) or is that aspect not needed anymore? Overall, the idea sounds pretty exciting and hope it works well for everyone involved.

    • Jason Pitzl-Waters

      People can donate if they want to, but I'm not going to be asking for donations, or underwriters, while at Patheos. All the wonderful people who chipped in the last couple years have been amazing, and I can't thank them enough for the support they've shown.

      • DanMiller

        I think people should continue to donate when they can. It's important to support pagan voices like Jason's in whatever fashion people can do.

  • Star Foster

    I'm very proud we could offer you a solution and look forward to referring to you as M'Colleague!

  • cigfran

    What's going to happen with DSoP?

  • http://egregores.blogspot.com/ Apuleius

    This is very good new … for Patheos. They are getting a real bona-fide star of a journalist in Jason. And hopefully this move will not only preserve and enhance all the great things about the Wild Hunt, but it will find an ever bigger audience for this unique source of news and views.

    • http://quakerpagan.blogspot.com/ Cat C-B

      I couldn't agree more.

  • Valerie Herron

    This is awesome news, Jason! Congratulations!

  • Crystal7431

    "…though I may do an upgrade to something a bit more modern in the near future." Nooooooo!!!1! Lol! Okay, if you must, you must. Congratulations, Jason, on finding a host. It's so exciting watching us grow.

  • http://www.inspiraven.com inspiraven

    The Wild Hunt is a good, strong tree. All the care and cultivation you've put into it will allow for adaptable, supportive roots in the new environment. I'm so very pleased for all the new people who will be touched by the haven of your branches. Thank you for explaining the situation and congratulations on transplant.

  • http://www.confessionsofapagansoccermom.com/ MrsB

    Congrats, Jason! And congrats to Patheos! Sounds like a great move for both sites.

  • http://twitter.com/revnaomi @revnaomi

    Delighted you're joining Patheos!

  • clockdug

    Congratulations! This sounds to be a well thought out response to your well-deserved growth!

  • John Beckett

    Good move, Jason. Growth requires change, and I'm glad you've chosen to continue growing in a new place vs. clinging to an unsustainable business model. And thanks to Star for what I'm sure was a lot of work in facilitating something that will be good for both Patheos and the Pagan community.

    • Jason Pitzl-Waters

      Star is a treasure, and this wouldn't have happened otherwise.

  • http://avaloniangirl.blogspot.com Morwyn

    I hate change!!! Oh well, guess I'll have to get used to it .LOL. Great choice for the move. Good luck and happy writing!!

  • http://vermillionrush.wordpress.com Vermillion

    "There will be no pop-ups, pop-unders, banners, or other flash-based nonsense. All you, as a reader, will do is continue to visit, read, link, comment and discuss, as you’ve always done"

    Thank GOODNESS. Now if only there was an easier way to load up the Patheos Portal Page so it was bit more streamlined, it regularly crashes my computer with all the scripts :/

    • Star Foster

      We've got changes coming in design. One step at a time. :)

      • http://vermillionrush.wordpress.com Vermillion

        Yeah I think I remember you saying something about that! I'm trying to be patient lol.

        But yay for WH joing Patheos! It's always great when you get to work with people who not only have the same goals as you but who also you know, don't suck :D

  • caraschulz

    It's nice to see hard work pay off for a kind and decent human being. That is, unfortunately, not so common as one would like. May Hekate continue to bless your household and Hermes guide your career.

  • http://twitter.com/PCPPodcast @PCPPodcast

    Congratulations Jason. You successfully transformed what started as a hobby into a financially-sustainable venture. There's not too many of us, especially in the Pagan community, that can claim that. Also, good job on not sacrificing the intellectual property of The Wild Hunt in the deal like so many others being acquired do nowadays.

    Now does this mean we'll finally be getting off this stupid IntenseDebate system I've hated for years? :D Disqus FTW!

    • Jason Pitzl-Waters

      Yes, the commenting system will be switching to Disqus for all you Intense Debate haters out there.

    • Baruch Dreamstalker

      I sort of like IntenseDebate and would like it much better if there were a 1:1 correlation between comments on the site and comments appearing in my email.

  • http://www.facebook.com/patti.wigington Patti Wigington

    Congratulations, Jason! While it's definitely a win/win for The Wild Hunt and Patheos, I suspect the ones who will benefit the most are the readers.

    And Star, thanks so much for all the work you do as well!

  • http://www.facebook.com/EdAHubbard Ed Hubbard

    Congratulations….this makes it a definite win. The ability to advertise on Patheos is very important, and now I am hoping that this move towards a more commercial operation will help. The idea is that ads will be supportive, and finally, maybe we can see more Pagan based on Patheos.

  • http://www.magickal-media.com A.C. Fisher Aldag

    That is awesome news. I was just griping yesterday about how Wild Hunt is sometimes down for hours, probably due to overloading the server. Very happy that you’re joining the Patheos Pantheon. Good luck and blessings!

  • http://www.bbimedia.com Anne Newkirk Niven

    Congratulations, Jason. You deserve every bit of success you have, and I *love* to see Pagan journalists get paid for their work. Gaia bless,

    Anne Newkirk Niven
    Editor
    Witches & Pagans, SageWoman, Crone

  • http://badocelot.com badocelot

    As a computer scientist, I completely agree.

    • vanye111

      As a telecom tech…yes.

  • therioshamanism

    May this turn out to be a most excellent arrangement for everyone involved!

  • Jason Pitzl-Waters

    Lets all make offerings to the gods of Internet and the crossroads that all goes smoothly!

  • Jason Pitzl-Waters

    Fred going over was one of the things that helped me make this decision.

  • Eric Scott

    Well, it's not like I could complain about this. Picture me donning a leather jacket and aviator sunglasses and shouting "WELCOME TO THE TEAM" with a manly clap on the back.

    • Star Foster

      Eric, you do have a way with words… lol

  • Star Foster

    The gay article is actually part of a column exploring Queer theology written by a Pagan academic who has been featured on The Wild Hunt.

    You can access The Wild Hunt without ever seeing the rest of Patheos. It will have it's own separate space. You don't have to parse through anything else, but simply get TWH like you always have.

  • Maponos

    Thankyou for your willingness, and the clarity with which you explain this. Your sensitivity and thoughtful are amazing. I have enjoyed and have been educated by what you have brought to our attention. your prose have been encouraging and have made be feel proud to call myself pagan. Thank you. I look foward to the new format.

  • Jason Pitzl-Waters

    As Star said, you don't have to explore the rest of Patheos, you'll be able to access us directly. Plus, syndication to places like LiveJournal, DreamWidth, Facebook, and Twitter will still be around.

  • Apuleius Platonicus

    Looks like the change is underway!

    • Anonymous

      And it loads quicker too! (mutter mutter annoyed someone on Discus has my screenname mutter mutter)

  • http://egregores.blogspot.com Apuleius Platonicus

    Looks like the change is underway!

    • http://vermillionrush.wordpress.com/ Vermillion

      And it loads quicker too! (mutter mutter annoyed someone on Discus has my screenname mutter mutter)

  • Grimmorrigan

    Wow, I can even load quickly from the pre-Cambrain work computer. Congrats on the move. I’m waiting to hear all the gripes about ads and the tired old sell out arguement. I however support this shift as it increases the stability and hopefully readership of the site. For those concerned about ads, get and ad/script blocker. It saves time.

  • Grimmorrigan

    Wow, I can even load quickly from the pre-Cambrain work computer. Congrats on the move. I’m waiting to hear all the gripes about ads and the tired old sell out arguement. I however support this shift as it increases the stability and hopefully readership of the site. For those concerned about ads, get and ad/script blocker. It saves time.

  • Anonymous

    OOrah for no more ID! (happy dance) – maybe now comments will actually load correctly.

  • http://www.xkcd.com/285 Eran Rathan

    OOrah for no more ID! (happy dance) – maybe now comments will actually load correctly.

  • A.C. Fisher Aldag

    And there they are, the listing of blogs and other links, in a nice neat column on the right where they are supposed to be. Hurray!

    No complaints about the ads. This is America. We are capitalists, not socialists (yet). There is nothing inherently evil about selling merchandise or performing a service and earning an income. It’s honorable. Our ancestors were farmers, laborers, artisans. Production is a GOOD thing. However, I question the wisdom of attempting to sell Pagans and Polytheists a Cadillac. Know your audience, advertisers… put up ads for Prius and Nissan Leaf! (Yeah, Jason, I’m aware it ain’t your call…)

    • http://kauko-niskala.blogspot.com Kauko

      My only concern about the advertisements is whether or not we’ll have the Christian-oriented ads that appear elsewhere on Patheos. It would be a little annoying to have look at those on the top of TWH daily.

      • http://www.patheos.com Star Foster

        The ads are based on your search history. For instance, mine is for pizza since I order it online a lot.

        • http://kauko-niskala.blogspot.com Kauko

          Yeah, I often see ads for things like food places I order from but there also seem to be some Patheos-specific religious ads that don’t seem to relate to my seach history (for example: when I was on the Pagan Portal main page a few minutes ago there was some ad for a Christian book on teaching teens abstinence).

          • http://PaganCenteredPodcast.com Dave of Pagan Centered Podcast

            Here’s information straight from Google on what they use to display their Google Ads (which are used on this page): http://www.google.com/privacy/ads/

  • A.C. Fisher Aldag

    And there they are, the listing of blogs and other links, in a nice neat column on the right where they are supposed to be. Hurray!

    No complaints about the ads. This is America. We are capitalists, not socialists (yet). There is nothing inherently evil about selling merchandise or performing a service and earning an income. It’s honorable. Our ancestors were farmers, laborers, artisans. Production is a GOOD thing. However, I question the wisdom of attempting to sell Pagans and Polytheists a Cadillac. Know your audience, advertisers… put up ads for Prius and Nissan Leaf! (Yeah, Jason, I’m aware it ain’t your call…)

  • http://www.patheos.com Star Foster

    Yay! It looks pretty!

  • Star Foster

    Yay! It looks pretty!

  • Baruch Dreamstalker

    We seem to have lost the comments that were appended yesterday, but that’s clearly a transient matter. Looks much the same, ie, nice.

    • http://PaganCenteredPodcast.com Dave of Pagan Centered Podcast

      Importing into Disqus takes a *long* time. I know with the stuff on PCP it took us 2 tries to get it completely done with just the thousands of comments we had. I anticipate this to be a much longer process for The Wild Hunt.

  • Baruch Dreamstalker

    We seem to have lost the comments that were appended yesterday, but that’s clearly a transient matter. Looks much the same, ie, nice.

  • http://twitter.com/nycflame Phoenix Deovere

    It has begun!

  • Ellie Hughes

    Hey I use an RSS feed (Google Reader) to read Wild Hunt, but the move over to Patheos means that like many of the other Patheos blogs I can now only see the first couple of lines of each post. Can this be sorted out. I hope it isn’t a concious decision as it means I won’t be able to read the blog as often as I like from now on.

    • http://www.wildhunt.org/blog/ Jason Pitzl-Waters

      Whoops! Just fixed that. WordPress defaults to excerpt.

  • http://profiles.google.com/vanye111 Jason Hatter

    I am going to miss the ability to click on a recent comment on the right hand side and being taken to it where it is in the thread.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1362174498 Lillitu Shahar Kunning

    Yay, yay yay! You deserve to have the business details taken care of, so that you can focus on what you do best: pagan journalism. Thanks for doing what you do and doing it so well.

  • http://profiles.google.com/sol.oriens Katie Eickhoff

    Is there an ability in the RSS to go back to full post instead of truncated? It’s more accessible (in both terms of formatting and actual ability to access) for me to read within google reader.

    • http://www.wildhunt.org/blog/ Jason Pitzl-Waters

      It wasn’t initially enabled, but I turned full-post RSS on now, and
      should be back to normal soon.

      • Ellie Hughes

        Thank you! Wild Hunt back in glorious… black and white RSS feed.

  • Guest

    “This is America. We are capitalists, not socialists (yet).”

    Speak for yourself. I am not a capitalist, and I know that in this way I am not alone among members of The Wild Hunt’s readership.

    I don’t think the the United States are in any danger of becoming ‘socialist’ any time soon. Pro-American and pro-capitalist bias in the education system, in conjunction with a corporate stranglehold on our media (and the party-line neoliberalism furnished by so-called ‘public’ outlets like NPR and PBS—both of which now air commercials), have done much to ensure that the present socio-political-economic order is here to stay, at least for the foreseeable future. If anything, America’s trajectory toward an increasingly authoritarian state-capitalist plutocracy seems quite secure.

    (Lest anyone take me for some sort of Trotskyite, I should mention that I do not identify as a socialist or Communist. Furthermore, while born within the borders of the American state, I do not identify as an American. Go figure.)

    • http://PaganCenteredPodcast.com Dave of Pagan Centered Podcast

      So what do you identify as?

      • Guest

        A human being, first and foremost. Secondarily, I identify as an anti-statist and an anti-capitalist. While not deeply ideologically invested, I consider environmentally conscious, IWW-style revolutionary syndicalism to be one of several appropriate praxes of the aforementioned attitudes.

        • http://PaganCenteredPodcast.com Dave of Pagan Centered Podcast

          Trying to wrap my head around Syndicalism since this is the first time I’ve been exposed to it. I understand there are different trade unions overseeing the production of the goods/services of their trade as they see fit (cool idea), but how do people of one trade acquire the products of another trade? Or are all trades co-equal, so I build a computer and that person makes me a donut in return?

          I realize the irony of asking this via a capitalist website on a socialist medium overseen by an arguably fascist government.

          • Guest

            In a syndicalist economy, the quantity of goods produced or the extent of services rendered, and the variety of good produced or service rendered, would be determined in an environment of direct workplace democracy. Individual workers would be equals; the position of “boss” would be abolished, and workers would self-manage their shops, factories, hospitals, et cetera. When extra direction or coordination is necessary, recallable delegates would be elected to temporarily assist in whatever capacity they are needed. These delegates have no more power than other workers, and may be disobeyed or rejected in the event that they become coercive. Workers themselves (rather than paid career representatives) would comprise a new form of union, similar to the “One Big Union” idea proposed by the Industrial Workers of the World. In the absence of national borders, unions (or the Union) would facilitate communication and negotiation between workers and industries around the world by way of a “labor exchange”, whereby workers would coordinate production, exchange, and distribution of goods and services.

  • Baruch Dreamstalker

    Just on a fractional day’s experience I’d suggest that the time-reversed comment ordering (which I suspect is immutable) makes it essential that, if one is replying to an early comment, one appends it as reply rather that drop it into the stream on its own. The latter, I suspect, will get it separated.

  • Masery

    From one Patheos blogger to another, welcome!

  • http://festivalofthedead.com Christian Day

    Congratulations! :)

  • http://www.peacockfairy.com Ruadhán J McElroy

    Somebody please tell me who wrote the blurb for The Wild Hunt on The Patheos Pagan Portal:

    The Wild Hunt
    By Jason Pitzl-Waters
    Patheos welcomes Jason Pitzl-Waters and his Pagan blog. Read about medieval horror, tarot cards, and Michele Bachmann.

    • http://www.wildhunt.org/blog/ Jason Pitzl-Waters

      Wha?!? I think someone was trying to do a blurb based on one of my
      recent round-ups which indeed did include all of those things. I
      didn’t write it.

      • http://www.peacockfairy.com Ruadhán J McElroy

        OK. A friend and I were hoping it was auto-generated based on keywords.

        • http://www.wildhunt.org/blog/ Jason Pitzl-Waters

          I’ve written to the higher-ups to have it changed.

          • http://www.peacockfairy.com Ruadhán J McElroy

            ‘Twould be nifty — and give a far more accurate description of the blog.

          • http://www.patheos.com Star Foster

            Fixed now. That’s what I get for being on the road!

  • http://www.peacockfairy.com Ruadhán J McElroy

    Somebody please tell me who wrote the copy for The Wild Hunt on the Patheos Pagan Portal:

    The Wild Hunt
    By Jason Pitzl-Waters
    Patheos welcomes Jason Pitzl-Waters and his Pagan blog. Read about medieval horror, tarot cards, and Michele Bachmann.

    I don’t know whether to laugh, cry, or throw up a little in my mouth.

  • http://www.thepaganveil.com Allison – The Pagan Veil

    Congratulations Jason, good luck.

  • Anonymous

    ::burns virtual sage:: May your new home bring you health and comfort, as a home should. May it be a refuge for you and your guests—us—and may joyful camaraderie follow your move.

    I for one have enjoyed your site for years and is one of many news sites I visit of a morning. Keep up the good work, keep fighting the good fight, and other platitudes. Good luck and blessings, wherever you are physically or virtually.