Happy Thanksgiving

Jason Pitzl-Waters —  November 26, 2009 — 20 Comments

Whether this is a day of thanksgiving or mourning (or even “unthanksgiving”) for you and yours, may you find contentment, happiness, and peace. The Wild Hunt will be taking the rest of the day off to cook and spend time with loved ones. I’d like to give thanks to everyone who reads, comments, and supports this blog. All of you give me something to be thankful for.

Regular posting will resume tomorrow.

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  • Hathor

    I don't think Thanksgiving was or is being used to denigrate Native peoples. Wasn't the whole point of the celebration a Thanksgiving for being alive after a supremely hard winter, a winter the pilgrims would never have survived without Native help? People came together in friendship and recognized each other's humanity, what is so bad about that?
    Even though history did not go well for Native Americans after people forgot that important lesson, we are trying to rectify those mistakes even now.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/youngsoulrebel Ruadhan

      It's never been about "denigrating" the Native peoples, but about white-washing the history into something that you wouldn't be embarrassed to tell your children.

  • Hathor

    I guess I don't agree with some modern tribes' interpretation of the holiday, heck as a kid I used to think it was more boring than anything else. More importantly as an inclusive humanitarian woman I don't like to be immediately labeled "The Enemy" just because I happen to be white.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Nope Snoozepossum

      "White Guilt" is still the New Black, and Inherited Karmic Debt is still a popular accessory.

      • http://www.facebook.com/cara.schulz Cara Schulz

        *grin*

        Do I believe in Inherited Karmic Debt?

        Nope. Not a part of my mythos or culture and I don't feel (mis)appropriating that concept anytime soon.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Nope Snoozepossum

          . . . . and IKD makes yer ass look big.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/youngsoulrebel Ruadhan

      More importantly as an inclusive humanitarian woman I don't like to be immediately labeled "The Enemy" just because I happen to be white.

      If you really think that's what's happening, then maybe you should re-think your position?

      • Hathor

        I'm not going to go against my core ethical principles just because people are acting like… well people.

        It doesn't matter to which race/ethnicity anyone belongs to, racism is an equal opportunity offender.

      • Hathor

        And just why exactly are you so keen to pick a fight with me?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/youngsoulrebel Ruadhan

          Just why, exactly, are you so keen to interpret an attack? :-/

  • Jake

    Hearkening back to the Pilgrims and Indians appears to be recent. Since Washington, the holiday seems to have been about giving thanks to God and acknowledging his providence than about the spirit or rememberence of the Plymouth thanksgiving feast. In other words, I think there was a recognized difference between a thanksgiving in Plymouth and the Thanksgiving as a holiday proclaimed by early presidents.

  • Heathenwoman

    awww!!! Happy "We erradicated thousands of unique native american civilizations" day to you too. Enjoy the food and time with family and look forward to future posts.

  • Hathor

    I don't think Thanksgiving was or is being used to denigrate Native peoples. Wasn't the whole point of the celebration a Thanksgiving for being alive after a supremely hard winter, a winter the pilgrims would never have survived without Native help? People came together in friendship and recognized each other's humanity, what is so bad about that?
    Even though history did not go well for Native Americans after people forgot that important lesson, we are trying to rectify those mistakes even now.

  • Heathenwoman

    I agree with Ruadhan…yes the initial meal was to celebrate the union of the two peoples that helped them survive the harsh winter in the new land…but not long after that we resorted to giving native peoples blankets infested with small pox. Not to mention the countless civilizations and cultures that were irradicated in the initial exploration by the spanish explorers. One happy day of celebrating doesn't make up for that fact that only a handfull of thousands of civilizations survived into the modern age. A world of history and knowledge and culture completely lost because of a pursuit of riches that started before this famous meal…and continued long after it with the forceful converstion of many tribal people to christianity. Read "The American Holocaust" by David E. Stannard. It paints a real good picture of what happened to the Native people of America. I'm not totally against the holiday, after all who doesn't love the food and foot ball and the parades…but lets not let ourselves forget what happened.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/whateley23 whateley23

    "not long after that we resorted to giving native peoples blankets infested with small pox"

    with a value for "not long" of 150 (ok, actually 142) years, courtesy Lord Jeffrey Amherst. Plymouth Colony wasn't involved. i don't think, myself, that Thanksgiving is an appropriate holiday to dedicate to those remembrances. let it instead stand for the promise of cooperation and coexistence which was only later abandoned for the personal gain of a few.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Nope Snoozepossum

    If you're going to call for non-observance of a holiday because it originated with people who invaded other lands, killed their people, and altered their culture, you're going to need to ditch several others, including anything that came from those pesky Romans.

    I have a huge number of things to be thankful for. Football and parades don't have anything to do with them. Considering that I have no proof that any of the people who originally allegedly celebrated "Hey, we didn't starve or freeze to death! Day" had any such agenda, I'll be thankful for their idea. Considering that none of the people here now were living during that period, I find it unjust to require them to take on any guilt for that agenda. If someone finds it impossible to be thankful that they are also still alive and fed because someone else is not, maybe they should try the alternative.

    I also have to be thankful that at least some of those no good murdering bastards made it over here and didn't croak, otherwise I wouldn't be here. And it would be stupid of me to feel guilty for that.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/youngsoulrebel Ruadhan

    Also, even the earliest "Thanksgiving" feasts were scarcely about "co-operation with the Native tribes":
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving_%28Unit

    …later on in the 1700s, but still before the War For Independence, it was celebrated as a military victory. The history of the day has become so white-washed and fabricated that it's become very difficult to celebrate fact from "fakelore".

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/youngsoulrebel Ruadhan

    I'm not a fan of the food or the gridiron (sorry, it's not "football") or the parades.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cara.schulz Cara Schulz

    I very much enjoyed Thanksgiving. I spent time with my family, we all talked about the past year and what we are thankful for and how really lucky we are. We ate some pretty grand food. It was a very warm, happy, and caring day.

    Huh. I guess we were doing it wrong.

  • http://www.kwannon.net jenne

    Not at all. It's a family holiday. I spent a lovely day with my husband's family and called mine in SC. We feasted and chatted.

    If people want to make it political and wallow in self-imposed misery that day, it's their call. Personally, I think it's good to be thankful for all one has in life.